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Please help! UK democracy is broken. PR voting can fix it. Sign the petition.

60 replies

Erzan · 10/05/2015 11:13

You are being ruled by a tyranny of the minority.

Hi,

Today the British people are going be governed by a party that secured 36% of the vote but thanks to our FPTP voting system grab 51% of the seats. All the policies and laws that will be imposed on you by the UK government will be because 36% gave their consent. What about the 64% that did not give their consent? If you heard that Putin imposed laws on the Russian people against the majority we would cry foul. If we heard the Obama imposed laws on the American people despite losing a referendum we would cry foul. But when the UK government impose laws despite having not winning 64% of the vote we do what? We cannot go on like this.

It is time we stopped this madness, time we realise that it is not 1900s any more and that the needs of this country far outweigh the benefits FPTP gives any one party. Our concept of democracy has always evolved in response to the times. Where once we thought it was democratic to deny black people the right to vote, where we once we thought it right to deny women the right to vote and even the working class (without property) too. We don't thankfully any more. Black, female and working class. A description that fits my grandmother and I guess helps to partly explain why the issue of representation and democracy makes me so passionate. She has always reminded me of the ridicule her mother got for calling for better representation, whenever I bored her about my desire for a better more proportional voting system.

Is British democracy as bad as it was before 1928? of course not. But can it improve? damn right it can. My great grandmother was a black working class female. A Labour supporter (supposedly) who died too early and never got the chance to have her voice fairly represented. Perhaps it's time we gave the millions of under represented voters in the United Kingdom a stronger voice?

Let the 2020 election be the first British election that never wastes a vote again.

Please support this petition for a fairer and more proportional voting system. Together we can force the agenda on electoral reform.

www.change.org/p/david-cameron-reform-our-voting-system-to-make-it-fair-and-representative-makeseatsmatchvotes?source_location=trending_petitions_home_page&algorithm=curated_trending
170,000 supporters supporters and counting.

Thank you

Yes I know we had a AV referendum but that was on a low turn out, AV wasn't really wanted by PR enthusiasts and now millions more have had their vote wasted they may realise what needs to be done.

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WhetherOrNot · 10/05/2015 11:41

Signed most definitely.

RitaCrudgington · 10/05/2015 11:45

So instead of a conservative majority we'd have a conservative / UKIP coalition? Not convinced that that's a better outcome.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/05/2015 11:49

Yes UKIP would love this. It is fairer to have a vote which actually counts, but I'd need to think about it a lot more seriously before signing a petition.

JacquesHammer · 10/05/2015 11:51

Wasn't there a UK wide referendum in 2011......?

JoanHickson · 10/05/2015 11:54

I won't sign as this will benefit ukip.

ShouldIworryornothelp · 10/05/2015 11:54

a) we've had a referendum
B) Why didn't you call for a change when Blair won with a smaller percentage of the vote?

Luckytwo · 10/05/2015 11:54

Yes we'd have had a Tory ukip coalition in that case. Which would be even worse than what we have now !

Erzan · 10/05/2015 11:57

But you cannot forget about the more people who would turn up and vote for Greens, Labour and Liberal Democrats because they know it won't be a wasted vote in their area. Plus remember there was once a time when men where against female representation because many argued it wasn't good for them as men. But in a democracy every one should have their voice represented.

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ShouldIworryornothelp · 10/05/2015 11:58

Blair got in on a smaller percentage

Why are you only now so vocal for a change?

PacificDogwood · 10/05/2015 12:00

Signing.

PR in the last election would've given UKIP more seat IF everybody had voted the same as they did under the FPTP system. I am certain that many UKIP voters voted the way they did as a wake-up call to the established parties.

AND in a democracy, surely every vote should count? I cannot be against PR just because the outcome at the recent GE would have have been one I'd favour.

JoanHickson · 10/05/2015 12:00

You are eating your breath on me when it would increase ukip MP levels.

paxtecum · 10/05/2015 12:02

I wanted to vote Green but voted Labour because it was looking close here between Labour and Conservatives and maybe even UKIP.

I'd have been gutted in The Conservative candidate had won here and I'd voted green, but dear god we'd have UKIP MPs in Westminster if we had PR.

Erzan · 10/05/2015 12:04

Most predict it would not give the Tories and UKIP a majority any way. But that should not be the reason we fear or love a more democratic system. 5 million people only have 2 MPs, that is a disgrace.

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JoanHickson · 10/05/2015 12:05

I am unhappy at one ukip MP, I am signing nothing that gives us more ukip MP levels.

ShouldIworryornothelp · 10/05/2015 12:07

You're very good at dodging the question about why you didn't campaign for this under the labour government

SirChenjin · 10/05/2015 12:08

Already signed. Every vote should carry equal weight imo.

Golferman · 10/05/2015 12:09

I was going to make the same point Should

Thenapoleonofcrime · 10/05/2015 12:09

I don't think it is at all clear that UKIP vote would be lower under a PR system. Many people may have voted for another party (e.g. Con) to keep out another (Labour) but would have voted for who they preferred had they had the choice. They may have been very tempted into voting UKIP if they also thought they would have held the balance of power.

Right-wing parties regularly get 20-25% of the vote in France, why wouldn't it happen here?

caroldecker · 10/05/2015 12:13

Many Conservatives voters don't turn out in safe labour seats and are underrepresented in Scotland. You are campaigning for this as you do not like the result. You would get the same answer under PR.
Look at why people did not vote for Labour/Green etc rather than blame the system.
Neil Kinnock reckoned it was self-delusion, and that is the Left's key problem.

WhetherOrNot · 10/05/2015 12:14

You're very good at dodging the question about why you didn't campaign for this under the labour government

I was born at the end of WW2 - as far as I can remember PR has been called for for over 50 years. It's not a recent thing, you know!!

WhetherOrNot · 10/05/2015 12:17

And saying you won't vote for PR if it would let one party get more votes is hardly being democratic, is it? That's like living in a Dictatorship almost.

ShouldIworryornothelp · 10/05/2015 12:20

My objection to PR is it will lead to weaker governments and no decisions being made

SirChenjin · 10/05/2015 12:20

The last Labour Govt came to power in 1997 - well before social media. There have been plenty of campaigns over the years to try and reform the voting system in the UK but social media has simply made it easier to raise awareness of the issue and increase public involvement.

Fairenuff · 10/05/2015 12:26

But you cannot forget about the more people who would turn up and vote for Greens, Labour and Liberal Democrats because they know it won't be a wasted vote in their area.

The only wasted vote is one not placed.

People should never not vote for that reason.

Do they not understand how it works? It's so simple. Place your vote. It might change something.

If not - well you tried. If it does - you made a difference.

Your vote can make a difference.

Use it.

(Not signing OP because I don't want UKIP PR'd)

JacquesHammer · 10/05/2015 12:27

I was born at the end of WW2 - as far as I can remember PR has been called for for over 50 years. It's not a recent thing, you know

No. But in response to the calls for PR and electoral reform there was a referendum in 2011. IN which almost 68% voted to keep the FPTP system.