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To ask if you agree with term time holidays to please sign this petition...

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TermTimeHolidays · 11/09/2013 13:46

here

It needs 100,000 signatures before it can be discussed in parliament.

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LtEveDallas · 11/09/2013 18:56

Probably because petitions belong in the petitions area mummymeister, pretty sure that's in the guidelines.

Feckbloodypets · 11/09/2013 18:57

Wallinson wasn't meaning to be cheeky in my previous post but I still agree that it is possible, as DH works shifts and is only able to take 1 full week a year so most of the holidays were either by myself or DH taking son and dogs away for the weekend on his own. I will say that we were very organised in sourcing the cheapest equipment that we were able to carry. Also will add that our household income is

LtEveDallas · 11/09/2013 18:58

My priorities changed when my children started school as I don't think it's acceptable to take term time holidays. As a teacher stated up thread the parents who take annual term time holidays don't have their children's best interests at heart

Do you also believe that of the children of soldiers who take term time holidays because dad is deployed at war during the school holidays and may never come back?

Feckbloodypets · 11/09/2013 18:59

Sorry if that last post reads wrong but I was brought up with a headmistress that believed any absence was the work of the devil and was made to be back in school the day after my DF's funeral and 2 days after I got out of hospital.
Now that would be circumstances when I feel additional days off should be allowed

Consils · 11/09/2013 19:03

When I was teaching I was always delighted to hear that children were going on a family holiday. They would learn far more than they would in a classroom. It does make some harder work for the teachers but the benefit to the children outweighs that.

Badvoc · 11/09/2013 19:18

Of course they do.
But 4 year olds not so much.

Badvoc · 11/09/2013 19:19

And I really fail to see how a fortnight in magaluf is educational!
Let's be honest...those who want to/have to take kids it in term time will continue to do so.
My bil for one.
He will Just pay the fine.

JustinBsMum · 11/09/2013 19:24

We never took DCs out of school. They are hard-working dependable adults with good jobs now - you have to set the right principles when they are young.

Tinlegs · 11/09/2013 19:25

But, consilis, was that primary? We have huge pressure on us at high schools to get pupils through exams. There are 38 weeks in the school year and, in Scotland, all courses are one year courses (some schools are stretching them out over two, but that's a different thread). So, I only have time to teach, for example, a WH Auden poem, which I did this week, once.

Now, one pupil is away on a vital (for that read, they fancied one) family holiday. She will miss the poem and all associated work. She will want to catch up. I am not expected to help her but, of course, I will as it is not her fault her parents prize a week in the sun in Tenerife over her education. I will then give up MY time. When she fails (if, but she is very borderline already) then the holiday in the middle of term will have been forgotten. Her failure, however, will be laid at my door, and not just by parents: it appears on school and departmental statistics. It may form part of an inspector's view of a school....I could go on.

As for forces children, I still think the way you show most concern for your children is in telling them they have to attend school. My father worked away in dangerous places (oil, not forces) for much of my childhood and we just saw him as and when. However, we all have, as a result, a tremendous work ethic, because he did (and my Mum, home alone with 4 daughters, often overseas).

MrsPeeWee · 11/09/2013 19:27

Lteve I am married to a solider. DH has done 2 tours of afghanistan. I can honestly say that if my husband was to have RnR during DS term time, I still wouldn't dream of taking DS out of school and DH also wouldn't condone it.

Right now, DS needs to be at school. If we want a holiday it just means us saving up for longer to afford a holiday during his school holiday. I am also a non believer in taking children out of school for holidays, its completely unnecessary and selfish. Just my opinion.

acer12 · 11/09/2013 19:32

wow tinlegs sounds like your 'job' is getting to be a bit of a grind, maybe you need a holiday... if a child FAILS their whole English year because they had one week off then yes, you should be looking to your self.

Just because you choose to give up affordable holidays so your child does not miss one single day of school doesn't mean its better parenting. I have a DD who would disagree, she is 18 and has a fantastic career in front of her.

medhandthekiddiesvtheworld · 11/09/2013 19:34

How the hell can you compare the salary of someone working on the rigs to a serving soldier, the 2 roles don't even begin to compare.

In additional your arguements dont bear much weight for a 5 year old.

LtEveDallas · 11/09/2013 19:40

Thankfully when DH & I went to Iraq each time he was allowed to take DSD out of school for a week before he went and again when he come back. She needed it, DH was glad to have her with him and we were able to give her some fabulous memories 'just in case'.

I know that my school my local Regiment feeds were wonderfully flexible when the Regt went for an extended Afghanistan tour that crossed the 6 week holidays. They even have teachers volunteer to do 'summer school' classes for those children that they thought needed them. But then it is a school where easily 50% of the classes are Forces kids. It's also the school that lost 4 dads last year.

acer12 · 11/09/2013 19:42

tinlegs so familes that go away on term time, their children grow up to not have work ethic Hmm just lay abouts going to Tenerife for a cheepo all in holiday like the Benidorm series.

DD,DH and I have great work ethic.

Never been to Tenerife - or Benidorm either

How very grey .

IHeartKingThistle · 11/09/2013 19:45

acer that was unnecessary - tinlegs explained the situation clearly and correctly. You're missing the point.

Tinlegs you're bang on.

acer12 · 11/09/2013 19:52

I disagree iheart but that's my opinion, just like you and tin have one.

Tinlegs · 11/09/2013 19:55

She won't fail for a week off but she might fail (bear in mind the gap between a C and a D is 1%) because she is an already weak candidate and she needs every second of help. When she returns, she will have 5 subjects to catch up on. She is likely to struggle in all of them as that is her ability level. She is 16 and results DO matter at this age. I just don't think her parents should be taking the risk.

Not sure I said that holiday = no work ethic. However, no holidays for any reason is far more likely to instil a sense of the importance of commitments and jobs / education.

No mention of salaries. That was not my point at all. It was to do with parents working away, not how much they are paid.

I also stated quite clearly that I am secondary. Not sure about 5 year olds but, if missing school happens annually from 5 then that will, surely, have an impact at the end of school.

Tinlegs · 11/09/2013 19:55

Iheart - thanks....

acer12 · 11/09/2013 19:59

so basically your basing your whole opinion because of one child. My DD didn't fail any of hers.

Its a sweeping comment that you cant use for every body.

5madthings · 11/09/2013 20:07

My dad was forces and as such we had time of fairly regularly, we also moved and changed schools every three years, in some schools I would be ahead, in others behind, i still got them GCSE's graded all a's and b's and four a levels and went to uni where I got a good 2:1 despite having a baby in my second year.

We dotn take our boys on holiday every year, but have taken them out for five days when we have and to due to leave restrictions, ds1 is predicted all a* and a grades, ds2 got level 6 in his SATs, the other two are doing well. Many children can have time out and still do well.

Debs75 · 11/09/2013 20:09

YABU people don't really need holidays do they?

Yes, one would be nice but we have coped just fine with only 5 holidays in 18 years. They are a luxury after all. Education is a must

Maybe start a petition against the price hikes by holiday companies or the pathetic holidays offered by employers

medhandthekiddiesvtheworld · 11/09/2013 20:09

of course there wasnt any mention of salaries, but someone working on the rigs has got more chance of affording school holidays than your average squaddie, isnt the salary one of the biggest attractions of the job

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHopeful · 11/09/2013 20:11

I would happily sign a petition for better holidays (offered by employers)

acer12 · 11/09/2013 20:14

bully for you debs

Tinlegs · 11/09/2013 20:15

You have a real thing about salaries. Not the rigs.. In oil (catering for oil workers in the deserts / remote places).

I am not basing my views on one pupil. I have been teaching 22 years. That is just THIS week's example.

Well done on your results 5madthings. "Them GCSEs in spite of time of" every year. Imagine how good your English would have been with a full education.