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Pedants' corner

I have lost two words

267 replies

MaMight · 15/12/2009 09:18

This is not actually pendantry, but I thought I would have most luck if I put it to the Pedants' Corner squatters.

Two separate questions:

  1. This morning I called my daughter a "daft bessom" and then realised that I have only ever read the word 'bessom' and don't know it's literal meaning. Not wanting to unwittingly use an offensive word, I looked it up... and can't find it anywhere. There is a word bessom isn't there? What does it mean?
  1. Years ago I had a 'Word of the Day' calendar. It gave me a word that means a collections of jams, marmalades, honeys etc. It was the breakfast equivalent of 'condiments' I loved this word and used it as often as I could poncily shoe-horn it into conversation. Now I have forgotten it completely. Anyone know?

PS apologies for any spelling or grammar mistakes. I'm not really literate enough to post here, I know .

OP posts:
PureAsTheColdDrivenSnow · 25/01/2010 21:44

ha, you've just reminded me of the Simpsons episode where Burns has to look after himself, and he's in the condiments aisle in the supermarket trying to decide between 'ketchup' and 'catsup'

Sazisi · 25/01/2010 22:17

Oh I love these threads

I've a really good idea (actually, it's my second idea - first was confitures but not The Word so I had to think of something else)

Is it mise-en-place?
It has to be..if it's not, perhaps you could use it in it's place? 'Tis beautifully poncy

Cranreuch · 26/01/2010 09:57

I like onebat's "appurtenences", I now want a word a day calendar.
[bbiscuit] - cannot believe I missed the arrival of the jimmy hatted emoticons.

Botbot · 26/01/2010 13:37

National Trust book was blinking useless .

It does, however, contain recipes for 'fruit leathers'.

onebatmother · 27/01/2010 00:38

that's those horrid pretend sweet bar things - you know that crazy heepies try to put in party bags instead of haribo.

I thought buying them was madness - but making them from scratch?

juneybean · 27/01/2010 01:24

mise-en-place is all about the cutlery.

can't believe we still don't know this word lol

Sazisi · 27/01/2010 13:08

It most certainly is not all about the cutlery
It doesn't specifically apply to jams though, but I reckon it may be used for op's purpose

My French manager used to use it to mean the bowls of olives, pepper mills, butter dishes etc that we'd place on the tables in a restaurant I worked in many moons ago..

This from Wikipedia:

"Mise en place (pronounced [miz ɑ̃ plas], literally "putting in place") is a French phrase defined by the Culinary Institute of America as "everything in place", as in set up. It is used in professional kitchens to refer to the ingredients (e.g., cuts of meat, relishes, sauces, par-cooked items, spices, freshly chopped vegetables, and other components) that a cook requires for the menu items that he/she expects to prepare during his/her shift.[1]

Recipes are reviewed to check for necessary ingredients and equipment. Ingredients are measured out, washed, chopped, and placed in individual bowls. Equipment, such as spatulas and blenders, is prepared for use, while ovens are preheated. Preparing the mise en place ahead of time allows the chef to cook without having to stop and assemble items, which is desirable in recipes with time constraints.

It also refers to the preparation and layouts that are set up and used by line cooks at their stations in a commercial or restaurant kitchen. "

hatwoman · 28/01/2010 08:13

was it comestibles? as far as i can see, if it was it was wrong - as it just means edible, but I don't think it's been mentioned yet

Wonderstuff · 28/01/2010 16:54

Where has MaMight gone? Dying to know if the collective wisdom has cracked it yet?

Sazisi · 28/01/2010 22:38

Yeah, come on MaMight, don't leave me us in the lurch..

skymoo · 30/01/2010 19:58

slighty o/t but i cannot read the word cruet (earlier in the thread) without imparting the following gem:

DP works at a printing company and - in the day that such fripperies were still affordable - was presented, each festive season and by a particular paper merchant, part of a specially commissioned set of bone china - as were all other customers of the same company

one year, talking to a fellow printer, the subject of christmas goodies cropped up and DP was asked what he'd been given by this particular company "oh - nice little cruet set, rather smart !" he replies - "huh - bloody hell" says the other bloke "all i got off 'em was a f**king salt and pepper pot"

AgentProvocateur · 31/01/2010 22:00

skymoo!

senua · 05/02/2010 11:01

This is still bugging me, to the extent that I decided to send an e-mail to an Eminent Producer of Preserves to ask them if they knew.
Said EPP was Duchy Originals who bounced it on to Waitrose who have come back with this message:
"I'm afraid that we are not 100 per cent sure what the answer is to this question regarding the collective noun for marmalade, honey and preserves. Could it be conserves or spreads?

We would also be very interested to hear the answer if the customer manages to find out."

hehehe. We've got someone else hooked now.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 07/02/2010 19:09
Grin
hocuspontas · 07/02/2010 19:17

It's the sort of thing that Frank Muir or Arthur Marshall would've known straight away.

What about emailing Stephen Fry or Rory Mcgrath or Gyles Brandreth?

I need to know

AgentProvocateur · 07/02/2010 20:09

Good idea, hocuspontas. You do it! Send SF a link to the thread.

hocuspontas · 07/02/2010 20:18

Apart from his publicity manager I can't see how to get in touch - anyone help?

NorbertDentressangle · 07/02/2010 20:20

Oh god, I remember this thread (I even posted on it 2 months ago) -I got all excited when I saw it here in Active Convos thinking that you had the answer but, alas, no.

LowLevelWhingeing · 08/02/2010 01:03

or tweeting them?

MaryMungo · 08/02/2010 01:45

I woke my husband up as this is driving me mad. He kindly offered "petit dejeuner" and has gone back to sleep. What do you think?

MaryMungo · 08/02/2010 01:45

I woke my husband up as this is driving me mad. He kindly offered "petit dejeuner" and has gone back to sleep. What do you think?

LowLevelWhingeing · 08/02/2010 01:48

no. that means 'breakfast' or little meal. or something. Thank you for trying MM.

MaryMungo · 08/02/2010 01:49

I woke my husband as this is driving me mad. He mumbled "petit dejeuner" and stuck his head back under the pillow. Any good?

LowLevelWhingeing · 08/02/2010 01:56

Thank you for trying mary

MaryMungo · 08/02/2010 12:10

Lord I promise I will never mumsnet under the duvet with a mobile at 2 am again. Just please let us know this word