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"your staff is" or "your staff are"?

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dilbertina · 04/12/2009 06:52

Now I'm sure I'm right but can't explain why!
I reckon it should be "your staff are doing something". When I queried it I was told that since "staff" is a collective noun, "is" is correct. Now I understand how collective nouns normally work but "staff is" just seems wrong. Please tell me I'm right! (and why!)

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Scootergrrrl · 04/12/2009 07:03

Why don't you rephrase it as "your members of staff are". Then it's a proper plural!

seeker · 04/12/2009 07:06

"Your staff is a dozy shower who should all be sacked"
"Your staff are excellent"

Has to be 'are' - but to my shame I don't know why!

HugeBaublesWhatDidISayRoy · 04/12/2009 07:08

are

dilbertina · 04/12/2009 07:14

This is on "My zoo" on facebook. I might have to stop playing it. Do you think American English might be different? (well wrong frankly!)

Anyone care to explain why are is right?

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MaryBS · 04/12/2009 07:16

All I remember from Christmas Carol Concerts as a child is
"The people that walked in darkness has seen a great light". Our school was incredibly pedantic on grammar.

However I seem to recall reading somewhere that either is acceptable.

StealthPolarBear · 04/12/2009 07:28

rhink technically it's is, but in reality either fine

Besom · 04/12/2009 07:47

The band is going on tour.

The band are splitting up in order to explore different artistic avenues.

In the first example the band is a single entity, but the second example is describing actions by individuals within the band.

I would always say 'the staff are...' in normal speech.

dilbertina · 04/12/2009 17:47

ok, have found something that explains it to my satisfaction! I get it! (and think I was right in this instance...!

good explanation - you learn something new every day!

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eatsshootsleaves · 04/12/2009 21:37

If you replace "your staff" with the pronoun "they" then it should be are.

Using "it" as a pronoun for "your staff" then it should is but I agree it doesn't sound quite right. I mean when would you have to use "it" to refer to "your staff"?

LowLevelWhingeing · 04/12/2009 21:59

dilbertina, that's a really good explanation - Word is always pulling me up for this when I'm writing minutes of team meetings!

But. Isn't there a get out clause that thingumy uses in Eats shoots and leaves, that sometimes its just down to personal style and what feels right. I continue to ignore Word's suggestions as my staff would wonder what I was going on about. Common usage eventually becomes what is right.

(Except I will never accept this argument for misplaced apostrophes mind)

cattj · 05/12/2009 00:07

I mean when would you have to use "it" to refer to "your staff"?

When 'it' is a piece of wood; that other type of staff.

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