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waitingforgodot · 02/03/2009 10:35

so please don't let me down. I have had a total mind blank.
How do I write Fergus' birthday?
Is it as above or Fergus's birthday?

I am doubting myself hence reason for post

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StealthPolarBear · 02/03/2009 10:37

either is fine.

AllFallDown · 02/03/2009 10:38

I'd go Fergus's birthday, because you would always pronounce the second s. That's the general rule with apostrophe-s: if you say the s, write it. You can, however, do it without: these are questions of convention rather than correctness.

senua · 02/03/2009 10:44

Agree with AFD.
Fergus' birthday is pronounced Fergus birthday.
Furgus's birthday is pronounced Fergusis birthday.

I prefer the second, but it's personal choice.

waitingforgodot · 02/03/2009 10:52

So either way is fine. Excellent! Perhaps that's why I was doubting myself. Merci beaucoup xx

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fryalot · 02/03/2009 10:53

NOOOOooooo!!!!!!

it's Fergus's birthday.

Never Fergus' birthday.

Sorry, you're all wrong (I think, I'll go and google to make sure...)

StealthPolarBear · 02/03/2009 10:55

BBC agrees with us

StealthPolarBear · 02/03/2009 10:56

although it does say sometimes one is better than the other to make the meaning clear if spoken - presumably if written it doesn't matter.

fryalot · 02/03/2009 10:56

Many respected sources have required that practically all singular nouns, including those ending with a sibilant sound, have possessive forms with an extra s after the apostrophe.

wiki agrees with me

here is the wiki page if you can be bothered trawling through it all

lalalonglegs · 02/03/2009 11:04

Fergus' birthday may be accepted but it doesn't mean it is correct .

StealthPolarBear · 02/03/2009 11:09

But it's the BBC! Not wikipedia!

lalalonglegs · 02/03/2009 11:34

Oh yes, well, the BBC, that unbiased centre of correctness and high values . Have you seen the mistakes they allow through on their subtitles? I mean, put your trust in that west London brigade of slackers if you like but...

StealthPolarBear · 02/03/2009 11:42

Well I agree with you but wikipedia could be anyone, couldn't it?

waitingforgodot · 02/03/2009 14:12

What have I started here?!!
Will go grab the popcorn and a chair!

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Habbibu · 02/03/2009 14:21

I suspect this is one that's had variant usage for some time - various US style guides seem to disagree.

This is what the MHRA style guide (used for humanities theses in the UK) says:
The possessive of proper names ending in a pronounced -s or -z is formed in the normal way by adding an apostrophe and s:
Alvarez?s criticism, Berlioz?s symphonies, Cervantes?s works, Dickens?s characters, in Inigo Jones?s day, Keats?s poems, Dylan Thomas?s use of language
French names ending in an unpronounced -s, -x, or -z also follow the normal rule and take an apostrophe and s:
Rabelais?s comedy, Descartes?s works, Malraux?s style, Cherbuliez?s novels
The possessive of names ending in -us also conforms to the normal rule:
Claudius?s successor, Herodotus?s Histories, Jesus?s parables, an empire greater than Darius?s
However, the possessive of Moses and of Greek names ending in -es (particularly those having more than two syllables) is usually formed by means of the apostrophe alone:
under Moses? leadership, Demosthenes? speeches, Sophocles? plays, Xerxes? campaigns

waitingforgodot · 02/03/2009 14:24

brilliant!
I get it now! Thanks Habbibu

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Habbibu · 02/03/2009 14:27

You're welcome - bear in mind that this is just the decision taken by the editors of this particular guide.

There are far fewer "rules" in English language than people think - or like to think!

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