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Could you possibly tell me where the apostophe should be in...

16 replies

UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 19:54

this please..?

He liked looking at the mens false teeth.

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MrsKrabappel · 12/01/2009 19:54

n's

Habbibu · 12/01/2009 19:55

Yes, men is already plural, so the apostrophe goes before the s.

UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 19:56

now why is that please?
dd1 put it after the mens' because there was more than one man and that made sense to me...
I don't understand why its men's

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UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 19:56

ah right ok...gotcha now. Thanks

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ClementFreudsGreatestAdmirer · 12/01/2009 19:57

because men is plural. there's only one lot of men. its the false teeth of the men.

Habbibu · 12/01/2009 19:59

I think the confusion arises because in words that you make plural by adding an s, such as girls, you put the apostrophe after the s. But it's not to do with the word being plural, but rather how the plural is formed.

UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 20:01

habbi that went right over my head

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Habbibu · 12/01/2009 20:05

Argh, sorry.

I mean that you don't make the plural of man by saying mans, so adding an 's to the end of men doesn't make it difficult to say.

But with a word like girls, adding 's at the end (the girls's toys) is ugly and difficult to say, so you just say the girls' toys.

Both these words are plural, so the rule about 's isn't so much about the fact that there's more than one man or girl, but more to do with the fact that the plural is formed in different ways.

Not sure that's any clearer. I used to teach this stuff - it's as well I gave up!

UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 20:14

will come back to lok at that when ive had a nice bath...see if i can take it in!!!

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UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 20:14

look look i mean

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jujumaman · 12/01/2009 20:14

Men is an irregular plural (ie it is pluralised without an s)
As for example is
women
Geese
Mice
Children

In these cases the apostrophe comes after the word and before the s as if it were a singular noun
the goose's egg
AND the geese's eggs
But the duck's egg
and the ducks' eggs

That's just the way it is

UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 20:15

And I even missed the r out of apostrophe in the title too Bows out quietly

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UnfortunatelyMe · 12/01/2009 20:16

Yeah we also had
A greedy rat stole the mices chocolate.

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harpsichordcarrier · 12/01/2009 20:18

OK forget about the plural thing.
the question is: who is the owner? and put the apostrophe after the owner.
in this case the owner is the men (terrible grammar)

harpsichordcarrier · 12/01/2009 20:18

same again
to whom does the chocolate belong?
the mice
therefore, the mice's chocolate

Habbibu · 12/01/2009 20:24

Isn't "the mice's chocolate" a horrible phrase, though? Can't say why I don't like it, as grammatically it's fine - just - blerg.

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