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Words you can't use any more

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CoalTit · 23/10/2026 08:02

I know language evolves and all that. I accepted that "nonplussed" is now an unusable word because so many people take it to mean its opposite. I didn't really have much occasion to use it anyway. But now it turns out that "lame" and "literally' have suffered the same fate.

I've hurt my foot. I tried to explain to a friend on WhatsApp that I won't be going dancing this week, by writing: "I'm literally, technically lame". I got a long voice message in return expressing sympathy for my lack of confidence, saying how intimidating the dance scene can be.
So I tried, "No, lame, like a horse" and that seemed to work.
Then I messaged my upstairs neighbour to say I can't help her with her work in the light well today because I'm lame. I hurt my foot helping her so I thought she'd understand.
She replied asking me to get up the ladder so she can pass things down to me. I tried " I can't help you today; I can barely walk", and she seemed to understand.

I thought I could use "lame" to save myself typing out "I hurt my foot; it's badly swollen and I can barely walk". I thought I could use "literally" to make it clear, but no.

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Southwestten · Yesterday 09:50

A chap I know in his late twenties hadn’t heard the phrase ‘two-timing’ which I found quite surprising.

Doodletown · Yesterday 09:51

ErrolTheDragon · 27/10/2026 16:51

afaik it usually meant ‘dodgy’ rather than any reference to sexuality. Because in the era of ten bob notes, the primary meaning of ‘queer’ was still ‘peculiar’. I’m old enough to remember it being used. Although more usually it was ‘as bent as a 9 bob note’ - again, although ‘bent’ was and is a homophobic counterpart to ‘straight’, the commoner meaning was ‘corrupt’ as in ‘bent coppers’.

It in my experience. It was the kind of casual homophobia you got from older men.

CaptainMyCaptain · Yesterday 09:53

Doodletown · Yesterday 09:51

It in my experience. It was the kind of casual homophobia you got from older men.

But in their eyes it probably meant the same as corrupt, deviant, 'a wrong 'un' not a completely separate meaning because that was their opinion of homosexuality.

AlbieJiggered · Yesterday 15:19

maudelovesharold · 24/10/2026 23:17

I know language evolves and all that. I accepted that "nonplussed" is now an unusable word because so many people take it to mean its opposite.

I’m puzzled. Why would it be unusable? I use it, admittedly not frequently, but when called for! What would you say was the opposite of nonplussed?

Plussed? The word I'd use would depend on the context. Unperturbed, unfazed, ...

I described something as looking cheap on a Style & beauty thread, and got accused by posters of implying it was tarty. I simply meant it looked like it hadn't cost much.

Southwestten · Yesterday 15:19

This letter was in the Telegraph this morning. I have to say, I didn’t know that’s what epicentre meant.

“Epicentre” is often used to describe the exact location of any event or occasion (Letters, October 27). The word is specific to earthquakes, the centre of which is underground, with the epicentre on the surface.
If people wish to incorrectly emphasise a statement, may I suggest a new word – the “megamaxiepicentre”? Alternatively, they could use “centre”.

PaperPanama · Yesterday 19:30

Fortunately, dh also loves a bit of pedantry. Unfortunately, he always uses 'Trousers at half-mast' incorrectly. I think so, anyway. Please tell me what you think it means.

Cascadia · Yesterday 19:32

PaperPanama · Yesterday 19:30

Fortunately, dh also loves a bit of pedantry. Unfortunately, he always uses 'Trousers at half-mast' incorrectly. I think so, anyway. Please tell me what you think it means.

I'd have thought slung too low like half way down their arse.

AlbieJiggered · Yesterday 20:02

@PaperPanama , trousers that don't reach your shoes.

maudelovesharold · Yesterday 20:05

PaperPanama · Yesterday 19:30

Fortunately, dh also loves a bit of pedantry. Unfortunately, he always uses 'Trousers at half-mast' incorrectly. I think so, anyway. Please tell me what you think it means.

I always imagine a pair of trousers which are short, in an ill-fitting kind of way - flapping around above the ankles, when they should be brushing the top of the shoe!

Cascadia · Yesterday 20:15

AlbieJiggered · Yesterday 20:02

@PaperPanama , trousers that don't reach your shoes.

But a flag at half mast is lower than it normally is, not higher.

Besidemyselfwithworry · Yesterday 20:17

One of my team called up and a younger colleague took the call
team member said she felt rather bilious and wouldn’t be coming in and the young colleague said to her what’s that 🫣

FallingfortheUnderdog · Yesterday 20:21

PaperPanama · Yesterday 19:30

Fortunately, dh also loves a bit of pedantry. Unfortunately, he always uses 'Trousers at half-mast' incorrectly. I think so, anyway. Please tell me what you think it means.

I'm imagining waitband round the knees like you got up from the loo and didn't do the zip back up

GripGetter · Yesterday 20:34

NoArmaniNoPunani · 25/10/2026 07:30

'Disinterested' has lost it's original meaning.

Its.

You mean selfless?

PapayaMarmalade · Yesterday 20:39

GripGetter · Yesterday 20:34

Its.

You mean selfless?

I wouldn’t say selfless exactly. More that you don’t have any skin in the game.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · Yesterday 20:55

PapayaMarmalade · Yesterday 20:39

I wouldn’t say selfless exactly. More that you don’t have any skin in the game.

Yes, that's perfect - an observer who is on the fence with nothing to offer either side.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · Yesterday 21:02

ErrolTheDragon · 27/10/2026 16:51

afaik it usually meant ‘dodgy’ rather than any reference to sexuality. Because in the era of ten bob notes, the primary meaning of ‘queer’ was still ‘peculiar’. I’m old enough to remember it being used. Although more usually it was ‘as bent as a 9 bob note’ - again, although ‘bent’ was and is a homophobic counterpart to ‘straight’, the commoner meaning was ‘corrupt’ as in ‘bent coppers’.

I think we must be of the same era, @ErrolTheDragon. I'm hard pushed to remember whether "bent as a nine bob note" referred to a homosexual or a corrupt copper. As I was 11 when homosexuality was legalised in the UK, I reckon I used the expression in relation to a corrupt copper, though I probably heard it used by homophobic men at the time to refer to gay men.

TheRealSmurfette · Yesterday 21:15

Doodletown · 24/10/2026 22:46

It’s saying ‘literally, technically’ lame that’s confused people, I imagine, rather than the use of ‘lame’.

This is hideous!

PaperPanama · Yesterday 21:30

PaperPanama · Yesterday 19:30

Fortunately, dh also loves a bit of pedantry. Unfortunately, he always uses 'Trousers at half-mast' incorrectly. I think so, anyway. Please tell me what you think it means.

Well, now, this is interesting. My understanding is that trousers at half-mast have not beeen pulled up all the way, like a flag at half-mast is not all the way up at the top of the flagpost. Dh uses it to mean trousers that are too short. It seems that the MN pedants are also split on this.

WilliamTopazMcGonagallPoorPoetFromDundeeBeItTold · Yesterday 21:30

AlbieJiggered · Yesterday 20:02

@PaperPanama , trousers that don't reach your shoes.

Surely that's not half-mast at all? Surely the appropriate phrase for that particular scenario is "Why don't you spread some jam on your shoes and invite your trousers down for tea?!" Grin

ErrolTheDragon · Yesterday 21:32

Cascadia · Yesterday 19:32

I'd have thought slung too low like half way down their arse.

That’s what I thought - the internet seems to disagree and think it means short trousers but I’m positive my mother used it for low slung ‘hanging at half mast’ so the internet must be wrong. DM had a saying ‘mother is always right, even when she isn’t’.😂

Cascadia · Yesterday 21:40

ErrolTheDragon · Yesterday 21:32

That’s what I thought - the internet seems to disagree and think it means short trousers but I’m positive my mother used it for low slung ‘hanging at half mast’ so the internet must be wrong. DM had a saying ‘mother is always right, even when she isn’t’.😂

I think this is the correct pendant take on it. Things at half mast are too low not too high.

AlbieJiggered · Yesterday 21:45

Who or what is the correct pendant?

jmh740 · Yesterday 21:55

Ive only used lame for an animal, thought id look it up and is apparently outdated and offensive.

Words you can't use any more
GripGetter · Yesterday 21:57

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · Yesterday 20:55

Yes, that's perfect - an observer who is on the fence with nothing to offer either side.

Well, every day's a school day.

ErrolTheDragon · Yesterday 22:28

AlbieJiggered · Yesterday 21:45

Who or what is the correct pendant?

My late mother.Grin