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Two spaces after a full stop

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MyDuvetDay · Yesterday 10:00

Do you do this?

Or do you correct this in other people’s work by deleting all their extra spaces?

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Justonemorecoffeeplease · Yesterday 12:55

Pitman/RSA trained typist here and yes we were taught to do this is on my course. I'm afraid my muscle memory just can't unlearn it.

TragicMuse · Yesterday 12:59

It’s how I was taught back in the late 70s, on a manual typewriter, and I used it for decades.

I have since taught myself to only use one space.

MyDuvetDay · Yesterday 13:01

SwirlyGates · Yesterday 11:17

Double-space is more likely to create white rivers, which do NOT look good.

Oh, and I learnt to type on a manual typwriter about 40 years ago, but when I started using computers a couple of years later I discovered that it was considered outdated. So that's a LONG time that single-space has been preferred.

Edited

White rivers - I didn’t realise there was a term for this - yes this is why I object to the use of two spaces after a full stop. It tends to result in unsightly gaps especially if the text is justified.

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civetcat · Yesterday 13:01

I was taught in the days of typewriters to do a double stop. I now set type for magazines, books, leaflets etc on a computer - there's no double stop today as the software does the spacing for you.

Blarn · Yesterday 13:05

I also double space as that is how I was taught to type. I like it too, easier to read.

However I now work in comms so am having to try really hard to stop as it's not the done thing now!

Autumnbootcamp · Yesterday 13:11

I wonder if it does look better. Am practicing it now. Interesting about the typewriters potentially jamming. I guess that's the origin of it. I feel very retro. It almost makes every sentence more of an emphatic statement. Maybe shy people started the single space revolution.

MeandT · Yesterday 13:11

Peridot1 · Yesterday 12:53

It’s how I was taught when I learned to type back in 1981. And I always did it. Haven’t worked for years but still do it when typing. And will continue to do so.

We were taught there was a correct way to type, address envelopes, set letters and documents out.

Who decided it wasn’t the done thing and when? Bloody young whippersappers! 😄

(I do appreciate times change - otherwise we could still be writing with a quill and ink - or using multiple sheets of carbon paper for copies…..)

about 1993 I reckon!

Autumnbootcamp · Yesterday 13:11

Mumsnet automatically deleted the double spaces just then!!!

JustWalnut · Yesterday 13:13

I delete the extra spaces and take great pleasure in doing so!

AgentPidge · Yesterday 13:14

I was taught it too, but it hasn't been a thing since word processors came in. DH uses two and it looks so outdated. I will absolutely change it if I'm editing anything.

Willowkins · Yesterday 13:14

I was taught 2 spaces after a full stop. This was 40+ years ago and I try not to now as I'm aware that the style has changed. What I just can't get my head around is winter spring summer autumn (shudder).

MeandT · Yesterday 13:15

Most online editors will remove the double spacer at a. And many phone's/software default keyboard shortcuts will auto add a full stop if you double space.

So you could just as easily drop the full stop as the second space if you are a habitual double spacer who wants to ditch the habit ;)

socialdilemmawhattodo · Yesterday 13:16

Double space for me as well. Also think it looks better.

HenriettaHippopotamus · Yesterday 13:16

I remember being told off in the late nineties in business admin class at school for doing it as the teacher told me it was old fashioned so I just got it in my head not to do it.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · Yesterday 13:16

Growingaseed · Yesterday 10:00

I delete all the extra spaces 🤣

Why do people do it? It's so annoying!

I believe that computers and laptops are delivered with a finite number of 'spaces', so you should use them sparingly.

I'm going to try taking the back of my laptop later and see just how many 'spaces' I have got left.

The man at Currys said you can use as many 'carriage returns' as you like because they are a physical attribute of the keyboard and so aren't restricted...

...which is nice.

iloveanearlynight · Yesterday 13:21

RampantIvy · Yesterday 10:11

I don't do this. It isn't a thing.

It WAS a thing.

runnerducky · Yesterday 13:22

I work in publishing and one of the first tasks when I get a raw manuscript or piece of copy is to sort out all the weird formatting, including double spaces, because I don’t want to sit and read thousands of words with distracting formatting.

I think it’s hard to unlearn the muscle memory so I do understand why people do it, but it really doesn’t look better. Modern typefaces are designed with the correct spacing after a full stop. Putting in an extra one just makes it look gappy and distracting. So if you do it because you think it looks better, it does not.

MyOtherProfile · Yesterday 13:22

CloudyWithAChanceOfCustard · Yesterday 10:20

It’s muscle memory…I was taught to do this back in the early seventies and spent my early career as a Court stenographer using a manual typewriter. All those years of using the ‘double space’ are very hard to undo!

Genuine question though…why is it no longer used?

I suspect it's no longer used because it takes a nanosecond longer than one space. Think of all you can do with the extra time from only typing a single space, along with all those other short cuts like thx and yh.

runnerducky · Yesterday 13:23

Itsbeenalongtimeincoming · Yesterday 12:49

Yes absolutely double space. Everyone I have ever worked with in multinational companies do it unless maybe it's Teams - but that's more casual at times anyway.

I’ve probably worked for many of those companies in editorial and marketing and we strip them all out when it reaches us I’m afraid!

RaraRachael · Yesterday 13:24

I do double spaces because that's how I was taught to type. I didn't realise it's frowned upon nowadays - neither did anyone I've asked.

I type very quickly so do it without thinking. At my stage of life I'm nor going to change now.

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 13:26

Regarding the question "Why are double spaces no longer used?", as I understand it, it's because they are no longer needed. Old-fashioned typefaces had a uniform width of space for each letter, which meant in effect that (e.g.) two adjacent letter l (el) looked spacier than (e.g.) an adjacent w and letter h. This made it slightly harder to interpret the significance of actual, functional spaces, and the double space at sentence-end mitigated this slightly (not sure exactly how, but the eyes do random shit and all that matters is that the end result helps keep them on target).

It is incredibly old-fashioned now. I worked as a copy-editor for years and very rarely came across authors who did this. With digital technology any unnecessary keystroke has the capacity to mess things up, so I would always tidy them away.

EffortlessDiscussion · Yesterday 13:26

Even if it's muscle memory you can unlearn it, it just takes time. I reckon it took me a couple of years to completely stop once I had decided to.

MyThreeWords · Yesterday 13:28

EffortlessDiscussion · Yesterday 13:26

Even if it's muscle memory you can unlearn it, it just takes time. I reckon it took me a couple of years to completely stop once I had decided to.

You make it sound a bit like recovering from alcoholismGrin
Perhaps we need a Double Spacers Anonymous.

AnnPerkins · Yesterday 13:30

I was taught to do a double space when I learned on a manual typewriter back in the mid-80s but I stopped many years ago. I don't believe it's incorrect, it just faded out as a style when people started using eg MS Word rather than the fixed width Courier of older word processors and typewriters.

Btc76 · Yesterday 13:33

commenters who say they do it don’t seem to be doing it on MN. I just did it and it feels weird. One space is much more suitable.

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