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Pedants' corner

Brought not bought

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beautifuldaytosavelives · 30/10/2025 21:33

Inspired by a thread I’ve just seen where the OP had brought herself a new car. When did this begin? Do people say brought out loud instead of bought?

And to get it off my chest while I’m here:
Xmas
Gotten
Upping
To be fair (as a nonsensical filler rather than any kind of balanced judgement)

OP posts:
ErrolTheDragon · 01/11/2025 08:59

Mumteedum · 01/11/2025 08:22

I am being a bit tongue in cheek of course in my pp, as there are plenty of older people who get it wrong too. As I said before, I even here bought and brought from people on TV or podcasts or audiobooks. Can't avoid it now I've noticed it.

Yes, there may have been an acceleration because technology means more people are expressing themselves in written rather than spoken words for informal communication but many of the mistakes and dialect usages people complain of in Pedants’ Corner are familiar to me from by childhood (I’m 64).

Dilbertian · 01/11/2025 09:01

‘Upping’ has an excellent pedigree:

Christopher, Christopher, where are you going, Christopher Robin?
"Just up to the top of the hill,
Upping and upping until
I am right on the top of the hill,"

Said Christopher Robin.

Christopher, Christopher, why are you going, Christopher Robin?
There's nothing to see, so when
You've got to the top, what then?
"Just down to the bottom again,"
Said Christopher Robin.

By A. A. Milne

upinaballoon · 01/11/2025 09:41

RaraRachael · 01/11/2025 07:43

I've noticed "Not that big OF a deal" etc creeping in. Only previously heard by Americans.

I think I heard the American guest on Countdown say this sort of thing, if not the exact example you give, this week, but somewhere I've read or heard it from another person who was not American. It's creeping in.

I remember a friend grumbling when local lorries changed from being Smith's Transport to Smith's Transportation, and an aunt asking why people had started meeting 'up with' others, and what was wrong with just saying, "I'm meeting Jenny for coffee."

sunshinestar1986 · 01/11/2025 09:43

Dilbertian · 01/11/2025 08:35

Some is actually wrong, like “many things is just an inability to accept”. This is Pedants’ Corner. Lol @ you going back to school next week.

I'm not a native speaker
So little mistakes are bound to happen 🤣
I wonder if you speak a second language so well?
Anyway, don't take my little comments to heart
Old age comes to us all 😉

sunshinestar1986 · 01/11/2025 09:46

Mumteedum · 01/11/2025 08:20

@sunshinestar1986 rude!

This is pedants corner. We can come here for refuge and a grumble because of the irritations of younger generations not caring about using the correct words or grammar.

I think part of the issue is that since the internet, language change is accelerated and so much more Americanised.

Age will happen to you too, I'm afraid. Anyway, hope you had a nice half term young-un! Wondering how many 35 year old grandparents there are 😁

Already happening to me 🤣
I'm just appreciating how stuffy we are
But grumble away

My friend was grandma at 35 😂
She had her first at 17 and her daughter had first at 18

Dilbertian · 01/11/2025 10:28

sunshinestar1986 · 01/11/2025 09:43

I'm not a native speaker
So little mistakes are bound to happen 🤣
I wonder if you speak a second language so well?
Anyway, don't take my little comments to heart
Old age comes to us all 😉

Oh, I do. I speak three languages. I’m not a native speaker, either. English is not even my mother tongue, though it is the language I am most fluent in.

It is rather arrogant to criticise fluent speakers of a language you yourself admit that you are not fluent in. You’ve got your insults down pat, though.

MummytoE · 01/11/2025 19:26

Mumteedum · 31/10/2025 18:08

That's a gen z thing via YouTube. All my students do it and it's really irritating. Don't get me started in "off of"

Bought and brought is extraordinary to me as they're so obviously different words.

I've noticed it with wandering and wondering too.

It's everywhere. I've noticed it in audiobooks and Daisy May Cooper did bought not brought in her new TV show the other night too.

Yes I have no doubt some teenage American millionaire you tuber is to blame 😂

AgentPidge · 02/11/2025 20:37

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 01/11/2025 08:48

Ah, so that's why Elon Musk renamed Twitter as 'X'.

Well done! 😆

Oneearringlost · 03/11/2025 10:27

dailyconniptions · 31/10/2025 17:13

Agree wholeheartedly with your frustrations, but I must point out it is, in fact, Pedants' Corner. For many pedants!

Hoist by my own petard!

RaraRachael · 03/11/2025 10:40

I've seen these recently -

Something was "Out of sink" and "I was in ore of her"

Do people not wonder what relevance a sink and precious metal would have in the context of their sentence?

Obviously not.

dailyconniptions · 03/11/2025 15:43

Oneearringlost · 03/11/2025 10:27

Hoist by my own petard!

I love that saying! :)

Dilbertian · 03/11/2025 16:43

Come to think of it, gotten is a weird one.

Past participle of got = got
Past participle of forgot = forgotten

Why?

Could it be that American English have actually retained the original pp of got, whereas British English has evolved? 😱🤯

OchonAgusOchonOh · 03/11/2025 19:12

Dilbertian · 03/11/2025 16:43

Come to think of it, gotten is a weird one.

Past participle of got = got
Past participle of forgot = forgotten

Why?

Could it be that American English have actually retained the original pp of got, whereas British English has evolved? 😱🤯

Gotten is also used in hiberno English. Got and gotten are slightly different. You would say I've gotten something or I got something. I've gotten tends to be used in the past continuous.

And yes, I think gotten was used in old English. I don't know if both gotten and got were used.

Alicethruthemirror · 03/11/2025 20:21

OchonAgusOchonOh · 03/11/2025 19:12

Gotten is also used in hiberno English. Got and gotten are slightly different. You would say I've gotten something or I got something. I've gotten tends to be used in the past continuous.

And yes, I think gotten was used in old English. I don't know if both gotten and got were used.

Agree. There are different nuances of meaning between got and gotten where I am. I’m Irish and I like having both available to use.

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