Brought not bought

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Inspired by a thread I’ve just seen where the OP had brought herself a new car. When did this begin? Do people say brought out loud instead of bought?

And to get it off my chest while I’m here:
Xmas
Gotten
Upping
To be fair (as a nonsensical filler rather than any kind of balanced judgement)

I've lived my whole life in Scotland and have only heard of gotten being used in recent years, more on the radio or TV than in real life.

I thought I heard Monty Don using brought instead of bought, or vice versa, a few weeks ago, which if he did is all manner of shocking as words are his living.

Sometimes it takes some working out what people on Facebook are saying - "a no" or on a Sunday "Ah no". Surely I is easier to type than Ah.

I’m not Scottish so I’m not sure, but gotten often comes up on threads and generally it’s Irish, Scottish and some Northern English people saying it’s always been used it where they’re from and that it didn’t die out there. Usage probably varies within those areas though.

I’m Irish and I can say gotten is widely used where I am, though usually informally, eg in speech or informal writing more so than formal writing. It’s not a recent import from America here. Other forms of older English have survived too. For example I use the term ye for you plural in speech or in texts to friends, but would use the word you in writing otherwise. It’s handy to have a separate word for you plural.

Not so much grammar but pronunciation:
So many people now substitute the sibilant sound 's' for the 'sh' sound. This seems only to apply in words with the letters 'str' . So, for example, instead of saying ''street' or 'industry'...it is pronounced 'shtreet' and 'indushtry'.

This one is more an observation, rather than an irritation, but I've noticed that younger people, particularly, now don't 'segue' the 'ee' sound of 'the', when following it with a word beginning with another vowel. So instead of saying 'thee avenue", people will say ' the'( pause) 'avenue'. This doesn't offend me, though.

I hate 'excited for', rather than 'excited about'.

'Laying' instead of 'lying' ' I lay down', I am lying down', not 'I'm laying down'.

Incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. ( Kirsty Allsop! On Location, Location, Location...much as I love the programme...

Using 'Myself' incorrectly...'Youself', too.

Overuse of exclamation marks, ( this, I truly
loathe). This was being discussed on Women's Hour, R4, this morning, in fact.

Overuse of emoticons.

I realise I'm being unreasonable, but this is Pedant's Corner...

clutches my pearls what riff raff

The title was even worse - “braught”

It’s so bloody simple to understand. Makes me think people do it deliberately.

For example I use the term ye for you plural in speech or in texts to friends, but would use the word you in writing otherwise. It’s handy to have a separate word for you plural.

@Alicethruthemirror I like that, ye is so much better than yous, which apparently is grammatically correct, according to some, but the snob in me cringes when I hear it used, far too often. Sometimes words don't need an s at the end to make them plural - sheep and deer, for example. Ewes and rams are different, but if their sex isn't relevant to the sentence they're either a sheep or many sheep.

I'm away for a lie down now 😄

Agree wholeheartedly with your frustrations, but I must point out it is, in fact, Pedants' Corner. For many pedants!

Defiantly!

My XH used to both say and write brought instead of bought.

Apart from swans I've never heard of upping.

Yes people say it loud all the fucking time, even on Antiques Roadshow FFS! I find it incredibly triggering so I try to amuse myself by imaging the person going to a “bring and buy sale” and their head exploding. Don’t even get me started on “If I hadn’t have”. It’s I fucking hadn’t you twats.

That's a gen z thing via YouTube. All my students do it and it's really irritating. Don't get me started in "off of"

Bought and brought is extraordinary to me as they're so obviously different words.

I've noticed it with wandering and wondering too.

It's everywhere. I've noticed it in audiobooks and Daisy May Cooper did bought not brought in her new TV show the other night too.

Oooh yes, of off is a real
horror.

I’ve thought of another. Weary and wary. Lots of people weary of all kinds of things they should be wary of.

Yes, wonder and wander boil my piss, too!

Lol @ the language purists
Obviously some is actually wrong, like brought and bought
But many things is just an inability to accept that every 20 years or so language changes a little.
I'm sure your grandparents also felt the same way as you guys 😂
Anyone born before 1990 is potentially a grandparent or nearing It.
So yeah, just accept you're getting old and can't handle change.
I mean I don't think younger people care all that much

I've noticed "Not that big OF a deal" etc creeping in. Only previously heard by Americans.

I seen instead of I saw
He’s instead of his
What was instead of what were
lend when you mean borrow

Lidls
Lidls
Aldis
Asdas
Tescos

I seen him with he’s nan when we was at Lidls. He were lending money off her.

@sunshinestar1986 rude!

This is pedants corner. We can come here for refuge and a grumble because of the irritations of younger generations not caring about using the correct words or grammar.

I think part of the issue is that since the internet, language change is accelerated and so much more Americanised.

Age will happen to you too, I'm afraid. Anyway, hope you had a nice half term young-un! Wondering how many 35 year old grandparents there are 😁

I am being a bit tongue in cheek of course in my pp, as there are plenty of older people who get it wrong too. As I said before, I even here bought and brought from people on TV or podcasts or audiobooks. Can't avoid it now I've noticed it.

Some is actually wrong, like “many things is just an inability to accept”. This is Pedants’ Corner. Lol @ you going back to school next week.

The weird usage of "to which" where it doesn't make sense - e.g. "I went back upstairs, to which he ignored me" - really annoys me. I can't work out if it's people trying to sound more formal (it's sometimes accompanied by a lot of "myself").

Language evolves. Through the way it is used, the word proof has evolved from meaning test to meaning evidence. That is meaningful. What is the ‘evolution’ of based?

Based off of instead of based on or based upon.

Based instead of biased. At least, I think that’s what they mean when they claim that someone ‘is based’.

I get that the second might evolve from (be based upon?) unfamiliarity with the correct word and misreading it, but how on earth did the first evolve? It’s surely completely made up nonsense!

Ah, so that's why Elon Musk renamed Twitter as 'X'.

Haha and I didn't notice my own texting gaff. I even hear not here, obviously. I'll get my coat.

I don’t understand what the issue with ´upping’ is? ‘To up’ is a perfectly reasonable verb, and if you want to turn it into a noun then you use the -ing form. ‘Upping the ante’ makes perfect sense. ‘Increasing the ante’ doesn’t work because it’s a collocation. I get that ´increasing’ would sound more formal in many contexts but sometimes we don’t want to sound formal. Hence why I used ‘get’ and not ‘understand’ in my previous sentence. ‘Upping the pressure’ sounds like an informal conversation about psychology pressures. ‘Increasing the pressure’ sound like a technical conversation about tyre pressure or two engineers discussing machinery - or maybe a physiotherapist discussing deep tissue massage.