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Keeping socks in a draw

144 replies

CatCaretaker · 07/05/2025 17:49

Where did draw as a misnomer for drawer come from? I never heard it until I joined Mumsnet (though I'm Irish so maybe it's not a thing here). Is it that a certain accent masks the 'er' in drawer? It drives me bonkers.

There's a trending thread right now, but the OP said draw instead of drawer, and all I want to do is reply correcting her (I won't obviously)! How has she reached this age (middle aged from context in the thread) with nobody having asked her why she is saying draw instead of drawer?

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CaptainMyCaptain · 09/05/2025 13:23

JoyousEagle · 09/05/2025 13:17

To me, pronouncing the A in meat would be making the “ea” sound like it is in “great”?

No, it was 'mee-at', 'pe-as'.

Openthisdoor · 09/05/2025 13:38

Pedant1Scorner · 09/05/2025 10:41

Why do women blame their hormones for all sorts of things?

Why are you so rude more importantly.

Pedant1Scorner · 09/05/2025 13:43

Accents vary. I say world as wurld (non-rhotic), a Scottish friend says it as wurruld, and a SE friend says is as wehwuld.Smile

JoyousEagle · 09/05/2025 13:50

Pedant1Scorner · 09/05/2025 13:43

Accents vary. I say world as wurld (non-rhotic), a Scottish friend says it as wurruld, and a SE friend says is as wehwuld.Smile

Wehwurld? An extra w in the middle of world? I’m in the SE and can’t imagine what you mean?

RaraRachael · 09/05/2025 14:16

I say wurr-ild for world but am guilty of putting in extra syllables eg
door- doh-arr
school - skoo-ahl

Etc

Pedant1Scorner · 09/05/2025 14:27

@JoyousEagle , I've definitely heard it. i can't explain it either, and it's from those who have lived here (London outskirts) all their lives, as did the generations before them.
There's also the London 'w' for 'll'.

CaptainMyCaptain · 09/05/2025 14:36

JoyousEagle · 09/05/2025 13:50

Wehwurld? An extra w in the middle of world? I’m in the SE and can’t imagine what you mean?

I know what she means. Just managing to get an extra syllable in.

ChompandaGrazia · 09/05/2025 22:49

Statsquestion1 · 09/05/2025 07:15

What “ee”? or did you mean “er”??

I did mean er. I blame auto correct

Numberfish · 09/05/2025 23:03

CatCaretaker · 07/05/2025 22:36

How is draw pronounced? One syllable or two? I'm not sure where a second would come from but I'm just trying to understand. Is there only one syllable in drawer?

We say ‘draw uh’

BebbanburgIsMine · 10/05/2025 00:35

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 07/05/2025 21:57

if somebody said 'chest of draw-ERS' I would think they were a bit weird, I've never heard anyone pronounce the 'er'.

Err, Scottish people do, No-one says “draw “ here,

Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 00:47

@BernardBlacksMolluscs , I'm not Scottish, and I say drawers as 'draw-uhs'.
Chester draws and chest of drawers sound differently.

Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 00:50

Openthisdoor · 09/05/2025 13:38

Why are you so rude more importantly.

Your punctuation needs attention.

sesquipedalian · 10/05/2025 08:42

“in some English accents you would pronounce pour, pore and paw all the same, but doesn’t mean there’s an epidemic of people spelling them wrong!”

Or even people spelling them wrongly (I may have to found a society for the preservation of the adverb). Sadly, OP, there is an epidemic of people spelling just about any homophone incorrectly - the number of people who write “Hear hear” as “Here here” on broadsheet newspaper comments is frankly astonishing. As to your “draws versus drawers”, I used to work in a school, and in the geography department there was a large printed notice saying “Please return all maps to the draws below.” In a school. I did point out the mistake, but nothing was done about it.

upinaballoon · 10/05/2025 09:23

On the edge of sleep this morning, while still in bed, I heard a Scottish voice speaking on the radio. I heard a rhotic 'r' and I thought immediately of this thread. I can't remember what the speaker was saying. I suppose I 'dropped off' again.
I'm going to go and force a T-shirt into a drawer which is already full.

ThunderThighs123 · 28/05/2025 07:51

Redrosesposies · 07/05/2025 22:04

Well it's because people don't read books so never see the written word. With the exception of those with dyslexia, poor spellers are generally those who don't read books (I don't include newspapers as some of the spelling in those articles is shocking).
It's pronounced 'draw' so unless you'd seen it written down, how would you know how to spell it correctly?
English is a very odd language.

That's true. I'm sure it will get worse with the proliferation of online reading apps.
The standard of prose is far below that of a professionally published text. I agree that it is essential to be exposed to high quality Standard English in order to have a hope of mastering it yourself.

WinterKitchen · 30/05/2025 07:20

SherlockHolmes · 07/05/2025 22:07

I think the Irish pronunciation is different. My Irish friend can't believe that English people produce the -er at the end of a word the same as an -a. Eg creeper and pizza.

My colleague is from Galway. He's invited me for a pizza several times but never a peetz.

Pedant1Scorner · 30/05/2025 08:01

@WinterKitchen , you mis-interpreted @SherlockHolmes .
Her post was about her Irish friend finding it hard to believe that English peoples say -er and -a the same.

Sunnyout · 30/05/2025 10:46

Yes, it’s the fact that pizza and creeper rhyme in English accents that confuses.

A lot of the rhymes in children’s rhyming books don’t work at all in Irish or other rhotic accents.
Using sofa to rhyme with gopher = 🤯

CatCaretaker · 30/05/2025 17:03

WinterKitchen · 30/05/2025 07:20

My colleague is from Galway. He's invited me for a pizza several times but never a peetz.

The other way around, Irish people don't pronounce -er and -e the same way, English people do!

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