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Pedants' corner

Possessive apostrophes

45 replies

proximalhumerous · 05/05/2025 15:49

Have I inferred correctly that, in cases where a singular noun ends in 's', some people seem to think that putting an apostrophe after the word makes it plural, even if no possession is applied?

For example, "I put all your syllabus' in a drawer."

Or, "All the cactus' are sitting on the windowsill."

In other words a complete misunderstanding of the rule.

I think I find things like this (and the classic "between him and I") more irritating than when people ignore all the rules.

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proximalhumerous · 10/05/2025 08:39

thinkfast · 10/05/2025 08:10

Well there are two uses of an apostrophe that I am aware of:

  1. to indicate possession;
  2. to indicate a missing letter in a contraction.

I think in the example you’re talking about, people are misusing number 2 above, it’s nothing to do with possession.

I know it's nothing to do with possession! It's people confusing where you put an apostrophe with a plural noun and thinking the apostrophe itself makes the word plural so using it with the singular form of the noun to form a plural - which it doesn't.

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SelinaPlace · 10/05/2025 08:40

I don’t think I have ever seen someone add an apostrophe under the impression it pluralises a singular noun (though obviously other depressingly frequent abuses of the apostrophe exist). Where are you seeing this? On Mn?

proximalhumerous · 10/05/2025 08:41

sesquipedalian · 10/05/2025 08:35

OP, I never cease to be amazed by what a mess people get into over apostrophes. Why anyone would think that adding an apostrophe makes a word plural I have no idea - but people really do extraordinary things with grammar (or lack of it) - there are examples on here every day, but also in comments on reputable newspapers. I have told my children that as far as apostrophes are concerned, “if in doubt, leave it out” - you will be judged far more harshly for a misplaced apostrophe than for not putting one.

I know! They're not rocket science!

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SelinaPlace · 10/05/2025 08:42

SelinaPlace · 10/05/2025 08:40

I don’t think I have ever seen someone add an apostrophe under the impression it pluralises a singular noun (though obviously other depressingly frequent abuses of the apostrophe exist). Where are you seeing this? On Mn?

I mean, obviously I’ve seen ‘potato’s’, and ‘I’ve met lots of little Archie’s’ but that’s not what you’re talking about.

Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 10:27

proximalhumerous · 10/05/2025 04:51

Did you mean to write "Their's"?

I don't know the grammatical term for this group of words (i.e. mine, his, hers, its, ours, yours, theirs), but they don't use apostrophes.

No. Blush Gin and posting doesn't mix.

Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 10:35

@thinkfast , OP is posting about people using an apostrophe thinking it makes a plural noun, e.g. bus (singular), bus' (plural).

It doesn't make the noun a plural, and the example OP gave it's not misusing 1. or 2.

The misuse is that the person thinks that bus' is the plural of bus.

proximalhumerous · 10/05/2025 10:37

SelinaPlace · 10/05/2025 08:40

I don’t think I have ever seen someone add an apostrophe under the impression it pluralises a singular noun (though obviously other depressingly frequent abuses of the apostrophe exist). Where are you seeing this? On Mn?

Yes, on MN amongst other places. Something like "the syllabus' were on the desk".

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Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 10:38

@sesquipedalian , a better way is to avoid using contractions, then you would only be using them to indicate possession.

proximalhumerous · 10/05/2025 10:40

Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 10:35

@thinkfast , OP is posting about people using an apostrophe thinking it makes a plural noun, e.g. bus (singular), bus' (plural).

It doesn't make the noun a plural, and the example OP gave it's not misusing 1. or 2.

The misuse is that the person thinks that bus' is the plural of bus.

Yes! This is what I'm talking about.

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thinkfast · 10/05/2025 12:04

Ah, ok. I’ve never seen that mistake before.

mynannygoat7 · 10/05/2025 13:43

I see this a lot OP on social media. “We’ve had so many virus’ lately”. I think the people acknowledge pluralising something ending in S isn’t easy, so guess. I also see people do it with their surnames. “The Tomkins’ have had a nice Easter”.

proximalhumerous · 10/05/2025 14:34

SnakesAndArrows · 10/05/2025 08:24

I understand what you mean - your original post was clear - and I have seen this too.

It’s essentially the same error as including a grocer’s apostrophe before the s in a plural e.g. carrot’s, but somehow even worse.

Yes, it's worse because it displays such a fundamental misunderstanding of what's going on with the - really pretty straightforward, primary-level - grammar.

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Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 14:37

Do people not get taught this at school?

proximalhumerous · 10/05/2025 14:59

Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 14:37

Do people not get taught this at school?

Yes, in early primary.

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Pedant1Scorner · 10/05/2025 15:16

That's what I thought.

ThunderThighs123 · 30/05/2025 10:35

proximalhumerous · 05/05/2025 18:36

Thanks for the replies, but I'm not sure anyone has addressed the point I'm making!

In my examples, singular nouns are being used erroneously as plurals, as if simply adding an apostrophe renders them plural. However a) the plural form is incorrect ("syllabus" is not the plural of "syllabus" - it's syllabi or syllabuses - and "cactus" is not the plural of "cactus") and b) the apostrophe is redundant as there is no possession implied.

So it's not just that the apostrophe isn't needed (as in "tomato's" but that it seems the user thinks they have an effect that they don't have.

Also, surely no-one in Pedants' Corner needs to be told what a grocer's apostrophe is!

I think this stems from the attempts by grammarians like Dr. Johnson, who set out to improve the English language by using Latin as their model (the 'perfect language).
These sorts of errors seem to me to be evidence of Anglo-Saxon English asserting itself, and rejecting the sometimes awkward and arbitrary rules Johnson etc al tried to impose. Like weeds growing up through the patio slabs!
Example: the split infinitive. 'To go boldly.' Other pedants will doubtless be along soon with other examples of their own.
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ThunderThighs123 · 30/05/2025 10:39

The Latin plurals problem (stadium --- stadia, etc.) is symptomatic of a lack of understanding of the etymology of these words. Anyone who does have that knowledge will take a pride in getting it right, even if the rest of the world continues to get it wrong quite merrily.
Come the revolution, this will be one of the first items on my agenda .. LOL 😂

ThunderThighs123 · 30/05/2025 10:45

mynannygoat7 · 10/05/2025 13:43

I see this a lot OP on social media. “We’ve had so many virus’ lately”. I think the people acknowledge pluralising something ending in S isn’t easy, so guess. I also see people do it with their surnames. “The Tomkins’ have had a nice Easter”.

Exactly.

What I can't understand is that the very same people have an innate and intuitive grasp of emojis and the like, and yet fail to grasp the far simpler concept of the apostrophe! Must be apathy or indifference.

Lynne Truss is very insightful on the subject of the apostrophe. She predicts its demise and then resurrection, as it dawns on Gen-Alpha that they are really very useful little chaps. 😂

upinaballoon · 30/05/2025 16:30

eat's gra's's and leave's

sorry, I mean 'sorry

Pedant1Scorner · 30/05/2025 16:40

shoots not grass

The grocer's apostrophes need to be random e.g. menswear, ladie's wear and childrens cloth's.

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