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Pedants' corner

"I have went"

50 replies

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 01/04/2025 11:20

What fresh hell is this? A woman on Richard Osman's House of Games. RO asks them to write a number/answer. Then says: "What did you put?" She replies: "I have went for...."
Aargh! Really put my blood pressure up!
I think she's Scottish - not sure as I'm hopeless with accents. She hadn't heard of the Isle of Muck so maybe not. But in what world can this be correct? I can't think of any other grammar thing that has wound me up this much!

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BIWI · 01/04/2025 11:21

I think that’s a dialogue thing there - especially if, as you say, she was Scottish.

Ecocool · 01/04/2025 12:42

BIWI · 01/04/2025 11:21

I think that’s a dialogue thing there - especially if, as you say, she was Scottish.

No it's not. It's bad education and not caring a damn.

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 01/04/2025 13:59

Ecocool · 01/04/2025 12:42

No it's not. It's bad education and not caring a damn.

I dunno. It sounds very deliberate rather than not caring. I bit "look at me". But I'm prepared to accept that it's a local dialogue thing, if indeed it is.

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DapperDame · 01/04/2025 14:03

The past participle seems to be disappearing in speech - "I've wrote/ran/came" are also quite frequent. The indefinite article "an" looks to be going the same way, replaced by the glottal stop.

Gelatibon · 01/04/2025 14:04

It's a dialect thing, common in the West Midlands too. Maybe not amongst posh "well educated" people who care about grammar, but definitely common usage.

eggandonion · 01/04/2025 14:06

Widely used in Northern Ireland. My well spoken and educated aunt got rid of a boyfriend because 'he always had went when he should have gone '.

Feelingstrange2 · 01/04/2025 14:07

It's fine. We know what she meant. Language is about communication and she communicated.

I probably shouldn't frequent a pedants corner!

upinaballoon · 01/04/2025 15:38

I won't see it tonight but I shall know when to switch the sound down for the rest of the week. I will have gone out this evening.

Gettingbysomehow · 01/04/2025 15:41

There is plenty of that on mumsnet, I see it all the time and have to go for a lie down to recover or as some mumsnetters would say a lay down.

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 10/04/2025 14:22

Feelingstrange2 · 01/04/2025 14:07

It's fine. We know what she meant. Language is about communication and she communicated.

I probably shouldn't frequent a pedants corner!

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pedants'

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BIWI · 10/04/2025 14:27

“pedant’s”, given that the word was prefaced with “a"

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 10/04/2025 14:33

BIWI · 10/04/2025 14:27

“pedant’s”, given that the word was prefaced with “a"

Nope. It's a corner for pedants (plural). So the apostrophe comes after the plural. But I posted as a joke! I didn't expect a reply.

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catzrulz · 10/04/2025 14:34

I'm Scottish (west coast) and watched the 5 episodes through my fingers every time she spoke.
HoG is the highlight of our day and Susie ruined the week.
It's definitely a way of speaking here, I do cringe when I hear it and also "I done it...."

BIWI · 10/04/2025 14:35

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 10/04/2025 14:33

Nope. It's a corner for pedants (plural). So the apostrophe comes after the plural. But I posted as a joke! I didn't expect a reply.

Yes it is. But that poster posted ‘a pedants corner’ therefore the apostrophe would have been before the ’s’.

I also posted as a joke, but this is pedants’ corner … Grin

RitaIncognita · 12/04/2025 16:03

There is also "I was sat" when it should be "I was sitting" unless someone or something physically put you in a seat.

The construction that always brings a smile to my face is "He was sat on his phone."

cozycat1 · 12/04/2025 16:21

West coast Scottish for sure. More commonly heard as ,"I"ve went with". Also frequently heard in this part of the world: "I done it", "I've did","I seen it",""I've came" etc. Sometime just spoken that way by a person but written correctly. However, sometimes both spoken and written that way...by people in senior management roles...

eggandonion · 12/04/2025 18:43

Yes, ni is just a few miles from the west of Scotland , people done and seen and went when they really ought not.
We have a Donegal mp/td who is always getting his past participle wrong and his wife is a primary teacher.
I shouldn't be here, I would happily ban apostrophes.

sunbum · 12/04/2025 18:47

On The Traitors a couple of years ago the eventual winner (southern English) used to say "I hav gon for yourselfv Harry" used to drive me mad and seems to have caught on and, even worse, transmuted on tiktok into "I have went for yourself Harry"

WHY?! its quicker and easier to use the grammatically correct "I've gone for you Harry"

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 16/04/2025 15:02

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 01/04/2025 11:20

What fresh hell is this? A woman on Richard Osman's House of Games. RO asks them to write a number/answer. Then says: "What did you put?" She replies: "I have went for...."
Aargh! Really put my blood pressure up!
I think she's Scottish - not sure as I'm hopeless with accents. She hadn't heard of the Isle of Muck so maybe not. But in what world can this be correct? I can't think of any other grammar thing that has wound me up this much!

We need a 'completely fucking horrified' response button!

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 16/04/2025 16:44

BIWI · 10/04/2025 14:35

Yes it is. But that poster posted ‘a pedants corner’ therefore the apostrophe would have been before the ’s’.

I also posted as a joke, but this is pedants’ corner … Grin

Edited

Still no.

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mathanxiety · 16/04/2025 16:58

Gelatibon · 01/04/2025 14:04

It's a dialect thing, common in the West Midlands too. Maybe not amongst posh "well educated" people who care about grammar, but definitely common usage.

No, it's not dialect. It's people hearing nothing but bad grammar all around them, rarely reading, paying no attention in school or to sources that speak grammatically correct English, and perpetuating speech that is simply wrong. A large number of people speaking a way doesn't equal a dialect.

proximalhumerous · 05/05/2025 15:41

BIWI · 10/04/2025 14:35

Yes it is. But that poster posted ‘a pedants corner’ therefore the apostrophe would have been before the ’s’.

I also posted as a joke, but this is pedants’ corner … Grin

Edited

No, you can't draw that conclusion. Using "a" does imply a singular, but it could refer to either a single pedant or a single corner, so simply from the phrase "a pedants [I'm deliberately leaving out the apostrophe] corner" we can't tell.

Cf. a child's book / a children's book. Neither is incorrect, but they both mean something slightly different.

RaraRachael · 06/05/2025 23:04

"Have went" is almost the norm in NE Scotland. In fact I probably feel odd because I don't say it.
Loads of our teachers say it along with "I seen ....." etc.

It's not dialect, it's just wrong!

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 07/05/2025 16:51

proximalhumerous · 05/05/2025 15:41

No, you can't draw that conclusion. Using "a" does imply a singular, but it could refer to either a single pedant or a single corner, so simply from the phrase "a pedants [I'm deliberately leaving out the apostrophe] corner" we can't tell.

Cf. a child's book / a children's book. Neither is incorrect, but they both mean something slightly different.

This particular discussion from the beginning referred to this area of MN: Pedants' Corner. It's a corner for pedants. Plural pedants. It's not somewhere for only one pedant.

[I prefer to think of it as a lounge, as was decided upon back when it was first put on MN, when the first pedant was joined by someone else who had nothing to add but didn't want the apostrophe to be incorrect 😄. It has velvet sofas, palms, lamps in the shape of flamingos and a gold cocktail bar.]

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proximalhumerous · 07/05/2025 16:54

RaraRachael · 06/05/2025 23:04

"Have went" is almost the norm in NE Scotland. In fact I probably feel odd because I don't say it.
Loads of our teachers say it along with "I seen ....." etc.

It's not dialect, it's just wrong!

Yes, I seen / I done...

My brother-in-law speaks like this. Nice chap, but it still makes me wince. Mind you, the prevalence of incorrect past participles on MN seems to be increasing rapidly and I imagine not all of the culprits posters are from Scotland.