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Pronunciation of water

232 replies

Machiavellian · 10/08/2024 18:25

To me it's wor-ter. I keep hearing 'wor-eh'. Is this not lazy? Why is the t being excluded? Am I being snobbish for thinking it sounds so lazy and uneducated?

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DrCoconut · 10/08/2024 19:11

To my grandad it was watter (rhyming with flatter and patter).

Chairmanmeoow · 10/08/2024 19:15

I don't drop the T. I also don't add an extra R 😐

Shock news: different dialects exist.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 10/08/2024 19:18

Gettingannoyednow · 10/08/2024 18:28

It's an accent/dialect thing. There isn't a 'correct' accent.

There is a correct way of saying words. If you look in a dictionary eg Oxford or Collins, the correct pronunciation is shown. The word "water" has a t in the middle which should be pronounced. Saying the word with a glottal stop in it is wrong, whether or not thousands of people say it like that.
Surely you would agree that the word "with" is pronounced with "th" at the end rather than "wiv", which is how many of the same people who use a glottal stop in "water" say it.
It's sloppy speaking, not everybody who lives in areas where people often pronounce words wrongly speaks like that or has a strong regional accent.
I grew up and live in South Wales but I made absolutely sure that my now adult children( who do have slight Welsh accents) could speak properly and not use some of the awful expressions, pronunciations and mangling of English that many people use here. A very strong regional accent can be a disadvantage in certain sectors.

OlympicsFanGirl · 10/08/2024 19:27

Waw-ter

Scotland

WTAFisthisnonsense · 10/08/2024 19:36

Surely it's pronounced Perrier. 😉

Maddy70 · 10/08/2024 19:48

Regional accents

I say. Wart er

Fiorentina9 · 10/08/2024 19:53

Is this really new to you? You've never heard a cockney accent before now?

Berlinlover · 10/08/2024 19:57

I’m Irish, I never knew it could be pronounced with an r.

Seymour5 · 10/08/2024 22:17

Dearg · 10/08/2024 19:01

There’s only one r - wau-ter. Scotland.

like drawing - it’s not draw-ring to me, but I hear it a lot on the Beeb .

Edited

Exactly so!

Been hearing a lot about Laura Norder recently too.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 10/08/2024 22:18

Seymour5 · 10/08/2024 22:17

Exactly so!

Been hearing a lot about Laura Norder recently too.

She's been hanging around for decades!

Cocopogo · 10/08/2024 22:22

Where I am in the north west we don’t pronounce t’s in a lot of words so it’s war-eh

DobbyTheHouseElk · 10/08/2024 22:24

Wor-ter for me.

tinydynamine · 10/08/2024 22:26

Bo'hh'o o' wo'hh'a innit guv

WickieRoy · 10/08/2024 22:28

Machiavellian · 10/08/2024 18:31

Gosh. I consider myself corrected. And uncomfortable. It's always been drilled into me to speak properly so it really sticks out. But fair enough.

Definite properly. 🤷

Waw-turr here.

WickieRoy · 10/08/2024 22:29

WeeGreenJumper · 10/08/2024 18:56

The irony of being upset at an omitted "t" (when glottal stops are a perfectly normal aspect of some accents) while failing to notice your added "r" (a perfectly acceptable aspect of many English accents)... There is not one "correct" way of speaking and what has been drilled into you is based on classism. Waw-tir for me in Scotland 😁 or sometimes Waw-ir! Glottal stops common north of the border

Right? Always the type of people who say things like "I don't speak with an accent", when actually a non-rhotic accent is really really strong.

Tulipvase · 10/08/2024 22:30

Is the perceived extra ‘r’ just people not being to convey the pronunciation in written form? I know I struggle with writing how I pronounce something.

Izzynohopanda · 10/08/2024 22:31

Wart -tuh

Op - do live around Luton area - they drop their Ts.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 10/08/2024 22:31

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 10/08/2024 19:18

There is a correct way of saying words. If you look in a dictionary eg Oxford or Collins, the correct pronunciation is shown. The word "water" has a t in the middle which should be pronounced. Saying the word with a glottal stop in it is wrong, whether or not thousands of people say it like that.
Surely you would agree that the word "with" is pronounced with "th" at the end rather than "wiv", which is how many of the same people who use a glottal stop in "water" say it.
It's sloppy speaking, not everybody who lives in areas where people often pronounce words wrongly speaks like that or has a strong regional accent.
I grew up and live in South Wales but I made absolutely sure that my now adult children( who do have slight Welsh accents) could speak properly and not use some of the awful expressions, pronunciations and mangling of English that many people use here. A very strong regional accent can be a disadvantage in certain sectors.

I have to disagree with you about dictionaries: they follow usage, rather than dictating it. That is, they describe how people pronounce words, rather than dictating how words should be 'correctly' pronounced.

WickieRoy · 10/08/2024 22:32

Tulipvase · 10/08/2024 22:30

Is the perceived extra ‘r’ just people not being to convey the pronunciation in written form? I know I struggle with writing how I pronounce something.

Non-rhotic accents - they don't actually pronounce the R, it's just used to elongate the vowel. A H probably makes more sense to you than an R.

Olympia777 · 10/08/2024 22:33

Machiavellian · 10/08/2024 18:25

To me it's wor-ter. I keep hearing 'wor-eh'. Is this not lazy? Why is the t being excluded? Am I being snobbish for thinking it sounds so lazy and uneducated?

Have you led a sheltered life?

Tulipvase · 10/08/2024 22:35

WickieRoy · 10/08/2024 22:32

Non-rhotic accents - they don't actually pronounce the R, it's just used to elongate the vowel. A H probably makes more sense to you than an R.

It does!

NorthYeastSouthWest · 10/08/2024 22:37

I pronounce it wah-durr. But I’m also a tacky American immigrant to the UK who sounds weird if I pronounce it with a hard ‘t’.

NorthYeastSouthWest · 10/08/2024 22:39

Another fun one is my English DP pronounces ‘Warsaw’ and ‘Walsall’ the same.

bergamotorange · 10/08/2024 22:42

RaininSummer · 10/08/2024 19:04

Surely even if it is dialect there are times when it is necessary to speak more formal English. If I was interviewing somebody for a job where they needed to represent the company, for example, I would not want a member of staff who spoke in that way.

This is so narrow-minded and prejudiced.

Regional accents are fantastic and only to be encouraged as part of our heritage.