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It’s v Its

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FunIsland · 18/07/2024 05:50

I’ve just read a tweet where someone said something along the lines of ‘I don’t believe AI is as much of a threat as people say it is because it keeps correcting its to it’s.

So I starting thinking, when would you use its? Googled it (obviously) and it says when it’s possessive. I’ve always used am apostrophe for both versions of its / it’s. Have I been doing this wrong for over half a century and why do we use a possessive apostrophe in some circumstances but not others?

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WhereAreWeNow · 18/07/2024 05:51

Yes, you've been doing it wrong! No apostrophe in the possessive.

Birmingbacon · 18/07/2024 05:54

Yes you’ve been doing it wrong.

normally there is a possessive apostrophe in every word but its is the exception to the rule.

it’s means it is
its means possessive.

this is literally the only time you don’t use an apostrophe for the possessive.

bergamotorange · 18/07/2024 05:55

I thought the apostrophe is only when you are meaning 'it is'? The apostrophe is to indicate the missing letter.

  • I put the key on its hook.
  • Where's the key? It's on the hook.

???

beccahamlet · 18/07/2024 05:56

Its is a possessive like your,my, her,his. It doesn't have an apostrophe.

The school has its own swimming pool.

Eminybob · 18/07/2024 05:56

It's is an abbreviation of it is. Belonging to it is its.

LaMarschallin · 18/07/2024 05:57

Apostrophes are also used to indicate absent letters - the second I in "it is" in this case.

Edited to say: sorry! X-posted with lots of people Blush

FunIsland · 18/07/2024 05:57

Now this has me wondering, what about hers? Theirs?

I love this sort of thing (even when it turns out I’ve been doing it wrong)

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sesquipedalian · 18/07/2024 06:01

You wouldn’t put an apostrophe in his or hers. Nor is there an apostrophe in its, when it is a pronoun - the museum is proud of its exhibits. Unfortunately, spellchecker will often change it incorrectly.

FunIsland · 18/07/2024 06:03

I wonder why it’s different.

I know the reason it’s there in the possessive bit is that historically it would have read -es to denote possession and removing the e added the apostrophe but I wonder why it’s different for this group of words.

I can feel myself disappearing down a rabbit hole and missing my run this morning!

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FunIsland · 18/07/2024 06:04

sesquipedalian · 18/07/2024 06:01

You wouldn’t put an apostrophe in his or hers. Nor is there an apostrophe in its, when it is a pronoun - the museum is proud of its exhibits. Unfortunately, spellchecker will often change it incorrectly.

That’s what was infuriating the woman on Twitter / X

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FunIsland · 18/07/2024 07:26

DH didn’t know either and he’s very well read 64 year old so I feel slightly vindicated.

Thank you for today’s lesson!

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FunIsland · 18/07/2024 07:27

Should today’s have an apostrophe? It’s autocorrecting it and now I’m overthinking.

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LaMarschallin · 18/07/2024 07:28

Yes, it's possessive: "the lesson belonging to today".

Edited for punctuation. I'm a bugger for using a dash too often Blush

CaptainMyCaptain · 18/07/2024 07:31

One that was a bone of contention when I was a teacher was Sports Day (the day of many sports) or Sport's Day (the day belonging to sport? As preferred by the PE coordinator).

CarolynKnappShappeyShipwright · 18/07/2024 07:33

I’m an EFL director with related certificates etc but I must admit to always stumbling over Mother’s Day or Mothers Day or Mothers’ Day and have to check it every single year.

does the day belong to one or plural mothers, or is it the day of plural mothers?!

BingoMarieHeeler · 18/07/2024 07:34

CarolynKnappShappeyShipwright · 18/07/2024 07:33

I’m an EFL director with related certificates etc but I must admit to always stumbling over Mother’s Day or Mothers Day or Mothers’ Day and have to check it every single year.

does the day belong to one or plural mothers, or is it the day of plural mothers?!

What’s the answer?? That one always gets me and I never find an answer 😅

LaMarschallin · 18/07/2024 07:36

I get round it by calling it Mothering Sunday.
Of course, there's then Father's/Fathers' Day to be considered Confused

RivkaTheBold · 18/07/2024 07:49

Sports day surely?

BigBurrata · 18/07/2024 07:50

Just to add that it’s can also mean it has.
It’s been raining all day.

CaptainMyCaptain · 18/07/2024 07:53

RivkaTheBold · 18/07/2024 07:49

Sports day surely?

Thank you. That was my take on it. I was in Early Years so had a separate event and all my letters went out saying Sports Day and the rest of the school had Sport's Day. We've both been retired for 10 years so I have no idea what the letters say now.

CarolynKnappShappeyShipwright · 18/07/2024 08:14

Think of it is the at apostrophes are in contractions and not in possessive pronouns,

He’s = he is
His = belongs to him

It’s = it is
its = belongs to it

whatsappdoc · 18/07/2024 09:27

Have always had an agonising moment when looking at Mother's Day cards. I feel it should be Mothers' Day but the card industry disagrees.
Sport Day or Sports' Day is surely correct?

whatsappdoc · 18/07/2024 09:29

Oh dear I've just said a word 'surely' and I haven't a clue where it goes in the sentence! 😩

Sarah2891 · 18/07/2024 09:33

whatsappdoc · 18/07/2024 09:27

Have always had an agonising moment when looking at Mother's Day cards. I feel it should be Mothers' Day but the card industry disagrees.
Sport Day or Sports' Day is surely correct?

Sports Day is the correct way. Sports not Sport because it involves more than one sport.

AquaFurball · 18/07/2024 09:36

whatsappdoc · 18/07/2024 09:29

Oh dear I've just said a word 'surely' and I haven't a clue where it goes in the sentence! 😩

I hate that too 🤣 Worse if I'm writing it, because then there are commas to consider!

I have embraced the online etiquette of posting and not caring (to an extent).

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