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Urban Legend doughnuts

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Q2C4 · 17/07/2024 10:05

My DH has recently taken a liking to Urban Legend doughnuts. I am tempted to ban them from the house due to their advertising strap line which seems to be "Less fat. Less sugar. Less calories."

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MoleAtTheCounter · 17/07/2024 10:10

I would not ban them but I would use a marker pen to cross out 'less' and write 'fewer'.

SeeSeeRider · 17/07/2024 10:12

I'd reject them on pedant grounds - should be 'less fat, less sugar, fewer calories'. [Edit] great minds think alike!

SeeSeeRider · 17/07/2024 10:14

Surely no doughnuts is a better way to stop being/becoming fat?

maudelovesharold · 17/07/2024 10:17

Befire I pass judgement, exactly how many less calories? Grin

Q2C4 · 17/07/2024 13:31

The less v fewer debate is being lost I fear - here is the description from Vinted's standard app update description.

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Q2C4 · 17/07/2024 13:31

"Less bugs" indeed!!

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Miffylou · 17/07/2024 13:33

I think in this instance it might have to be accepted as poetic licence.

Icarus40 · 17/07/2024 13:35

They could change it to 'Less calorific' if they wanted to keep the repetition?

CelesteCunningham · 17/07/2024 13:38

I don't know. We use less rather than fewer with measurements of time, money, distance, percentages etc. Calories are also measurements, I don't know that this is strictly wrong? There are others who will know better than me.

Definitely poetic licence though.

CelesteCunningham · 17/07/2024 13:38

Icarus40 · 17/07/2024 13:35

They could change it to 'Less calorific' if they wanted to keep the repetition?

Ok yeah, that's the best way to do it.

veritusvariety · 17/07/2024 14:08

Q2C4 · 17/07/2024 13:31

The less v fewer debate is being lost I fear - here is the description from Vinted's standard app update description.

Less/ fewer bugs, is the least of the grammatical errors in that snippet!

justonemoreuser · 17/07/2024 14:12

My understanding is that fewer is used for discrete countable things rather than continuous measurements. So you can have 1 person or 2 people, but it's not possible to have 1.5 people, so you say fewer people rather than less.

Calories are a unit of measurement for a continuous quantity - energy. You can have 32.41 calories, you can have 32.48 calories, or any number of values between those two. So you say less calories.

Although I'd say it might have been clearer and more correct to say "Less energy" instead; since they didn't say "Less grams" for sugar or fat.

The normal pedant rule applied is based on count-ability rather than whether the noun is a unit of measurement or the thing being measured. I would argue the latter distinction makes more sense logically, but that isn't apparently how language works! So I would say less energy, but perhaps fewer calories, even though I know the quantity is continuous rather than countable in both cases - but every definition I can find for this relies on the count-ability.

Calling · 10/08/2024 19:38

I would want to know what exactly was the basis for the fewer calories: fewer than what?

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