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It's not upmost

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ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 18:37

It's "utmost" NOT "upmost". Recently I've seen several threads where people have written "upmost". It's not even a word, it doesn't come up in predictive text, they can't have seen it written in a book or newspaper or article( they most likely don't read anything except what's on social media). Do they say the word like that?
Are they somehow confusing it with "uppermost", if so, it makes them look even more stupid. Even my ten year old granddaughter knows it's "utmost". Why use words when you don't know what they mean and have made them up, it just makes you appear so thick?

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CelesteCunningham · 16/06/2024 19:15

I think this is a really understandable error - neither are common words, they sound similar and have similar meanings.

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 19:46

CelesteCunningham · 16/06/2024 19:15

I think this is a really understandable error - neither are common words, they sound similar and have similar meanings.

"Utmost" is a perfectly normal commonly used word! It seems from the dictionary quoted above that "upmost" may be used in USA as a contraction of "uppermost" which describes position not degree. I can't find anything explaining that it's synonymous with "utmost" or that it's used in the UK with that meaning.

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CelesteCunningham · 16/06/2024 19:47

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 19:46

"Utmost" is a perfectly normal commonly used word! It seems from the dictionary quoted above that "upmost" may be used in USA as a contraction of "uppermost" which describes position not degree. I can't find anything explaining that it's synonymous with "utmost" or that it's used in the UK with that meaning.

I didn't say synonymous, I said similar in meaning. I also didn't say it's correct, I said it's a very understandable error.

Also - why does UK Vs US matter? What's correct in one is correct in the other, even if it's not the most common usage.

Mrcrabsleg · 16/06/2024 19:53

I know its pedants’ corner but could you be anymore aggressive and derogatory about it? Jeez 🙄

OutsideEveryday · 16/06/2024 19:55

Is this what keeps you up at night? 🤣

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 21:01

CelesteCunningham · 16/06/2024 19:47

I didn't say synonymous, I said similar in meaning. I also didn't say it's correct, I said it's a very understandable error.

Also - why does UK Vs US matter? What's correct in one is correct in the other, even if it's not the most common usage.

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Of course it matters if it's UK or US English. Some US words are wrong in UK English, in the UK we don't call a tap a faucet or say we were walking along the sidewalk or fill our car up with gas.

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BarcardiWithGadaffia · 16/06/2024 21:03

OutsideEveryday · 16/06/2024 19:55

Is this what keeps you up at night? 🤣

Why would it keep her up at night?

This is a specific board for pedants but I'm be very surprised if caring about language stops the posters who read and post here sleeping

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 21:05

OutsideEveryday · 16/06/2024 19:55

Is this what keeps you up at night? 🤣

Don't be so ridiculous. It's a thread just like thousands of other threads which aren't of world-shattering importance. I have noticed the use of the word quite a few times on Mumsnet threads and posted in Pedants' Corner which is exactly the place where this type of thing is discussed.

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DrunkTinkerbell40s · 16/06/2024 21:07

'Discusting' is worse!!

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 21:10

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midgetastic · 16/06/2024 21:12

Basic language ?

No one uses that anymore - python is where it's at

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 16/06/2024 21:15

In my opinion adults who don't know how to use basic language are stupid, why shouldn't I say that?

Because stupidity is a lack of intelligence, not a lack of knowledge. You're absolutely right about the usage of 'utmost', but being mistaken about two similar-sounding words doesn't make someone stupid.

AbstemiousBreakfast · 16/06/2024 21:31

OutsideEveryday · 16/06/2024 19:55

Is this what keeps you up at night? 🤣

Of course - we're pedants.

peopleonthebusgoupanddown · 16/06/2024 22:08

I am all for a bit of pedantry, but your post is just mean and unnecessarily aggressive

OutsideEveryday · 16/06/2024 22:18

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 21:05

Don't be so ridiculous. It's a thread just like thousands of other threads which aren't of world-shattering importance. I have noticed the use of the word quite a few times on Mumsnet threads and posted in Pedants' Corner which is exactly the place where this type of thing is discussed.

Was just teasing you 😉 I do think you’re being mean though. People aren’t stupid because they don’t know one word. Lighten up 🙂

CelesteCunningham · 16/06/2024 22:22

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 21:01

Of course it matters if it's UK or US English. Some US words are wrong in UK English, in the UK we don't call a tap a faucet or say we were walking along the sidewalk or fill our car up with gas.

They are different, they are not wrong. It's not wrong for a British person to say faucet, just unusual.

CelesteCunningham · 16/06/2024 22:23

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You're right that we should be careful with language and how we use it. For example, in your last sentence here you've implied that those with learning disabilities aren't normal - a far more damaging communication error than using upmost instead of utmost.

ADHDHDHDHD · 16/06/2024 22:26

Maybe we will see "it was upmost in the draw" and weep into our keyboards

ASighMadeOfStone · 16/06/2024 22:26

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 16/06/2024 21:01

Of course it matters if it's UK or US English. Some US words are wrong in UK English, in the UK we don't call a tap a faucet or say we were walking along the sidewalk or fill our car up with gas.

US English isn't "wrong".
What a ridiculous assumption to make.

How do you feel about the correct punctuation of written English btw? 😏

ASighMadeOfStone · 16/06/2024 22:27

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Fucking hell.

Midlifecryses · 16/06/2024 22:28

“Why use words when you don't know what they mean and have made them up, it just makes you appear so thick?”

Because you don’t know what you don’t know! People who say upmost have either heard someone else say it (or seen it written incorrectly) or they think they heard upmost rather than utmost.

if you have been corrected but still use it then….

A bit like my MIL who didn’t believe me when I told her it was ‘block paving’ and not ‘pathing’. I said paving, referring to pavement and she said NO, pathing referring to path!

Sgtmajormummy · 16/06/2024 22:29

Ignoring the OP’s unpleasantness, I can give my explanation

It’s the glottal stop.

utmost = u’most
upmost = u’most

So, since they’re both uncommon words, they’re easily confused.
HTH.

ASighMadeOfStone · 16/06/2024 22:36

Yes, I'd agree that that's where the confusion comes from.

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