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Pedants' corner

'eg' means 'for example', you meant 'ie'

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GarlicMaybeNot · 22/11/2023 21:47

On the one hand, it's nice that people are using literary abbreviations. On the other, I wish they'd use the right one!

While we're at it, 'persay' isn't a thing. It's 'per se'.

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PhotoDad · 23/11/2023 06:11

StamppotAndGravy · 23/11/2023 06:05

Where I live we use qua a lot. There's not really an English equivalent, but I'm not sure if it would be understood in a general conversation in the UK. Must try to get inter alia into internal memos more often!

Qua teacher, I would use "considered as" or "in its/his/her role as" for "qua."

PhotoDad · 23/11/2023 06:13

GetWhatYouWant · 23/11/2023 01:49

I bet many people have no idea they are abbreviations of Latin phrases or what the initials stand for. Same with 'etc' which so many people on here write as 'ect'. They must presumably never use the phrase in actual conversation or they would realise they were using the wrong abbreviation. Actually they probably wouldn't as again they most likely have no idea at all that it's a Latin phrase.

I rather like the old style of writing "etc" as "&c"! Of course, the symbol "&" is a ligature for "et."

WYorkshireRose · 23/11/2023 06:13

Ohmylovejune · 23/11/2023 05:56

My son has severe dyslexia.

He sees every letter twice and they move, but not in unison. A traditional size dictionary looks like a jiggly qwerty code to him.

I think it's a bloody miracle he can spell phonetically and even communicate in writing, don't you?

What has that got to do with absolutely anything on this thread? Confused

MassageForLife · 23/11/2023 06:14

In a place I used to work, the administrator, who you had to pass all letters through before they were sent out, made 'a lot' into one word.

She had been told, but it seemed to be a complete blind spot for her. There are many/much/several synonyms that we used instead.

senua · 23/11/2023 06:15

Where I live we use qua a lot.
Wiktionary has the second definition as "the cawing sound of a crow". Perhaps that's why we don't use it! It's a visual rather than an aural word.

cariadlet · 23/11/2023 06:28

senua · 23/11/2023 06:09

"Inter alia" means "among other things" so you could say:
Mumsnet is a web forum that allows posts on diverse topics such as, inter alia, pedantry.
It implies "this example or list is not exhaustive".

Thank you. That's helpful.

Ohmylovejune · 23/11/2023 06:34

@WYorkshireRose

The OP said "While we're at it, 'persay' isn't a thing. It's 'per se'"

For a dyslexic whose condition has led them to write from verbal learning, not by reading because reading is difficult or even inaccessible, it wouldn't be unusual for persay to be the way they communicate per se in writing.

Ohmylovejune · 23/11/2023 06:40

@renomeno

Thank you. My son got these too in year 10. They aren't perfect but helped the slow down the speed of letter movement somewhat. The overlays didn't work at all.

SoupDragon · 23/11/2023 07:47

senua · 23/11/2023 05:56

It certainly is. I don't think the phrase "get a life" is, though.

I do wonder why some people just know the right one and others just seem oblivious
You will note that keye engaged with the subject, asked questions, learned and thanked people nicely. Other people wrote angry messages and left in a huff, probably none the wiser. You are allowed to be supercilious about examples like that.Smile

"Get a life" is in my Chambers dictionary.

senua · 23/11/2023 08:24

SoupDragon · 23/11/2023 07:47

"Get a life" is in my Chambers dictionary.

Grin I've just checked my ancient version of Chambers. It doesn't have "get a life" but it does have "get away with you!"
AlltheFs · 23/11/2023 09:32

senua · 23/11/2023 05:24

I do wonder why some people just know the right one and others just seem oblivious.
Ever heard of a thing called a dictionary? It has words in it like "curiosity" and "autodidact".

Some people, like me, don’t have to think about it- other people really can’t “see” when something like that isn’t right despite being taught exactly the same thing. It’s interesting to me, some knowledge/understanding isn’t tangible. Applies to lots of things but in use of language particularly obvious. Has fuck all to do with a dictionary.

Bit like how some people are just massive cunts and others aren’t. Perhaps you can explain that too?

senua · 23/11/2023 09:45

some knowledge/understanding isn’t tangible
I don't understand what this means. Can you elaborate, please?

MaggieFS · 23/11/2023 09:51

Must remember to use inter alia, that's very useful.

I do use et al., to offer another one to the list.

And I despair at ect. because etcetera is fairly common and the spell checked should fix it, if nothing else.

anythinginapinch · 23/11/2023 10:00

Remember, you must never use eg and etc in the same phrase.

So: "they said they had ordered some drinks, eg wine, beer, and gin etc" is just wrong.

It's either "they ordered some drinks, eg wine, beer, gin" OR
"They ordered some drinks: wine, beer, gin etc" and note the shift in punctuation in the last example if you want to be really pedantic (and I do).

GetWhatYouWant · 23/11/2023 12:39

PhotoDad · 23/11/2023 06:13

I rather like the old style of writing "etc" as "&c"! Of course, the symbol "&" is a ligature for "et."

Ah yes, I'd forgotten that excellent abbreviation.
When you think about why some people get all these words and phrases wrong the answer must be that they just dont read much and by that I mean proofread books, newspapers, articles etc, rather than flicking through social media online. A lifetime of reading would mean that you naturally would have come across the correct usage.

GarlicMaybeNot · 23/11/2023 15:27

Agreed, @GetWhatYouWant, we pick a lot up through reading - sometimes wrongly, but further reading will put that right as we encounter phrases in varied contexts.

It works the other way round, too! I'd never got their/there/they're or your/you're wrong until a few years ago; I've even caught myself abusing apostrophes 😬 My brain-to-finger connection has learned Bad Things from social media. The commonest errors have even found their way into broadsheet newspapers and professionally-published novels. We are sunk!

Intellectually, I don't care all that much: language mutates. But it interrupts flow and, sometimes, requires an extra bit of effort to work out what the writer meant. I would've thought natural evolution in language should make things clearer, not more fuzzy. In any case, there's no more evolution to be had with Latin!

@MassageForLife, I like your workplace solution alot 😉

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7Worfs · 23/11/2023 18:38

AlltheFs · 23/11/2023 09:32

Some people, like me, don’t have to think about it- other people really can’t “see” when something like that isn’t right despite being taught exactly the same thing. It’s interesting to me, some knowledge/understanding isn’t tangible. Applies to lots of things but in use of language particularly obvious. Has fuck all to do with a dictionary.

Bit like how some people are just massive cunts and others aren’t. Perhaps you can explain that too?

Do you mean hyperlexia? I have it and I definitely “feel” a language. I haven’t studied English formally but I am quite fluent and “feel” what is right.

upinaballoon · 23/11/2023 21:14

WatershipClown · 22/11/2023 22:34

e.g. stands for exempli gratia = for the sake of example

i.e. stands for id est = that is

Thank you. I know that i.e. is 'id est' and it means 'that is', and I know that e.g. means 'for example' but I never learned 'exempli gratia' so far.

PedantScorner · 24/11/2023 20:01

@GetWhatYouWant , They must presumably never use the phrase in actual conversation or they would realise they were using the wrong abbreviation.
They say 'ec setra'. I see 'per say' quite frequently.

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