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'eg' means 'for example', you meant 'ie'

69 replies

GarlicMaybeNot · 22/11/2023 21:47

On the one hand, it's nice that people are using literary abbreviations. On the other, I wish they'd use the right one!

While we're at it, 'persay' isn't a thing. It's 'per se'.

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FunnysInLaJardin · 22/11/2023 23:18

I love a good i.e

FunnysInLaJardin · 22/11/2023 23:18

and also love a well placed inter alia

GarlicMaybeNot · 23/11/2023 01:29

FunnysInLaJardin · 22/11/2023 23:18

and also love a well placed inter alia

Ooh, me too! Haven't used that one for ages - although, for some reason, I always feel I have to italicise it.

Totally with @penjil and @Missedmytoe on Chester draw's and on root. I try to 'reign in' my annoyance, though 😬

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GetWhatYouWant · 23/11/2023 01:49

I bet many people have no idea they are abbreviations of Latin phrases or what the initials stand for. Same with 'etc' which so many people on here write as 'ect'. They must presumably never use the phrase in actual conversation or they would realise they were using the wrong abbreviation. Actually they probably wouldn't as again they most likely have no idea at all that it's a Latin phrase.

Musntapplecrumble · 23/11/2023 01:59

I used to be an audio typist. Clerk used "ableet" in a sentence. Kept re-listening to it, gave up and asked him. He meant albeit, obvs just reading from a template with no idea what it meant 😄

palmtreesoliveleaves · 23/11/2023 04:04

Oh no. I've always used i.e. to mean e.g. I had no idea. I wonder how many people reading my emails at work know this.

AlltheFs · 23/11/2023 04:48

I’ve got 2 colleagues who both insist on saying “working progress” instead of “work in progress”. We have folders named that all over Sharepoint. Drives me absolutely crackers as I go around re-naming them.

ie and eg I can’t get excited about but I do wonder why some people just know the right one and others just seem oblivious.

ColleenDonaghy · 23/11/2023 05:06

GetWhatYouWant · 23/11/2023 01:49

I bet many people have no idea they are abbreviations of Latin phrases or what the initials stand for. Same with 'etc' which so many people on here write as 'ect'. They must presumably never use the phrase in actual conversation or they would realise they were using the wrong abbreviation. Actually they probably wouldn't as again they most likely have no idea at all that it's a Latin phrase.

When I was little I thought it was ect, and that the t was the t in cetera rather than the t in et.

I've never noticed e.g. and i.e. being misused.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 23/11/2023 05:21

AlltheFs · 23/11/2023 04:48

I’ve got 2 colleagues who both insist on saying “working progress” instead of “work in progress”. We have folders named that all over Sharepoint. Drives me absolutely crackers as I go around re-naming them.

ie and eg I can’t get excited about but I do wonder why some people just know the right one and others just seem oblivious.

Edited

I was taught Latin when I was at school in the late Sixties and early Seventies. I'm sure that's how I know the difference between eg and ie and what etc is short for. So perhaps it's a question of education?

senua · 23/11/2023 05:24

I do wonder why some people just know the right one and others just seem oblivious.
Ever heard of a thing called a dictionary? It has words in it like "curiosity" and "autodidact".

Gillypie23 · 23/11/2023 05:36

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Kta7 · 23/11/2023 05:47

senua · 23/11/2023 05:24

I do wonder why some people just know the right one and others just seem oblivious.
Ever heard of a thing called a dictionary? It has words in it like "curiosity" and "autodidact".

Is ‘supercilious’ in there too?

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/11/2023 05:49

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Should that be prefixed with i.e. or e.g.? Wink

In fairness I’m lazy and miss out the punctuation.

Ohmylovejune · 23/11/2023 05:52

Bearing in mind language is about communication, if you read persay, and think ohhh that's per se, haven't they achieved their objective?

cariadlet · 23/11/2023 05:52

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This isn't AIBU; it's pedants' corner. If you're not interested in this sort of conversation, why open the thread?

The same question applies to @ilovepixie and @SusanKennedyshouldLTB

It's seems pointless to wander into pedants' corner, open a pedantic thread and criticise the pedantry.

cariadlet · 23/11/2023 05:56

FunnysInLaJardin · 22/11/2023 23:18

and also love a well placed inter alia

I've no problem using eg and ie correctly (I was never taught Latin but just seem to have picked them up) but inter alia isn't a phrase that I use naturally.

Can you give an example of how it would be used?

senua · 23/11/2023 05:56

Kta7 · 23/11/2023 05:47

Is ‘supercilious’ in there too?

It certainly is. I don't think the phrase "get a life" is, though.

I do wonder why some people just know the right one and others just seem oblivious
You will note that keye engaged with the subject, asked questions, learned and thanked people nicely. Other people wrote angry messages and left in a huff, probably none the wiser. You are allowed to be supercilious about examples like that.Smile

Ohmylovejune · 23/11/2023 05:56

My son has severe dyslexia.

He sees every letter twice and they move, but not in unison. A traditional size dictionary looks like a jiggly qwerty code to him.

I think it's a bloody miracle he can spell phonetically and even communicate in writing, don't you?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 23/11/2023 05:57

Bearing in mind language is about communication, if you read persay, and think ohhh that's per se, haven't they achieved their objective?

Language is about communication, but it's not only about communication. It's also about style and self-expression. The language we use is a choiceand says quite a lot about us, whether we like it or not.

Grin at the grumpy 'get a life' posters. Do you go onto all the other conversation boards and criticise OPs for starting threads about the exact things for which the whole board was actually created?

Ohmylovejune · 23/11/2023 05:59

I think you are behind the curve.

Being pedantic about language ignoring the wider context does, indeed, say something about you.

StamppotAndGravy · 23/11/2023 06:01

I normally edit i.e. out of reports, on the basis that if you need to use it the first half of the sentence wasn't clear enough. E.g. is occasionally allowed to stay

renomeno · 23/11/2023 06:05

@Ohmylovejune my son has the same visual stress dyslexia, he's had glasses made that help enormously (when he actually wears them!). They work much better than overlays, as tailor made for him.

StamppotAndGravy · 23/11/2023 06:05

Where I live we use qua a lot. There's not really an English equivalent, but I'm not sure if it would be understood in a general conversation in the UK. Must try to get inter alia into internal memos more often!

senua · 23/11/2023 06:09

cariadlet · 23/11/2023 05:56

I've no problem using eg and ie correctly (I was never taught Latin but just seem to have picked them up) but inter alia isn't a phrase that I use naturally.

Can you give an example of how it would be used?

"Inter alia" means "among other things" so you could say:
Mumsnet is a web forum that allows posts on diverse topics such as, inter alia, pedantry.
It implies "this example or list is not exhaustive".

PhotoDad · 23/11/2023 06:09

I teach an essay-based A-level, and as part of the course we read academic book chapters and papers. I teach my students all of the common Latin abbreviations, but I wouldn't generally expect them to have met them when they start the course. Some rarer ones pop up too, e.g. "op. cit." and "viz."

I do enjoy the sound of the stock phrases, inter alia "mutatis mutandis" (i.e. "changing where appropriate"), but there's very little reason to keep most of them in Latin these days.

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