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What does 'sake' actually mean?

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Desiderata · 07/03/2008 19:00

My three year old asked me this today, out of the blue .. as they do.

I expect he overheard me saying 'Oh, for heaven's sake' or something equally Joyce Grenfellesque when I placed my naked foot squarely on a small, green building block this afternoon. I mean, he didn't ask me what FUCK meant, so I must have alluded to the heavens, right?

Any hooo, without resorting to the dictionary or to Google, can anyone explain to me what 'sake' means ... as in, 'for heaven's sake', or 'we should go to the party for Mary's sake.'

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Mhamai · 07/03/2008 23:33

Ok, I'm off to bed now for "my sake"
Night all.

Desiderata · 07/03/2008 23:36

He's clever alright, Mhamai. My only hope for him is that he doesn't go to Uni.

I'd hate to have it knocked out of him

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Desiderata · 07/03/2008 23:36

Good night, gorgeous.

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Mhamai · 07/03/2008 23:38

God I know the feeling! Mwah, night my lovely.

rachaelsara · 07/03/2008 23:39

Who is Pete?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 08/03/2008 00:04

Dependent Clause.

Desiderata · 08/03/2008 14:13

A dependent clause, eh? Clever arse

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midnightexpress · 08/03/2008 14:21

Isn't a dependent clause different? It's just another term for 'subordinate clause', surely? So in a sentence such as:

If you don't know the answer, you must be stupid'

'you must be stupid' is the main clause and 'If you don't know the answer' is the dependent clause.

This is surely just a strong collocation of 'goodness'' or 'heaven's' and 'sake' to create an idiomatic expression.

As for Pete, I wonder if it is a corruption of 'pity'?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 08/03/2008 17:07

Dependent clause and subordinate clause mean the same thing, yes.

A clause can refer to a sentence, a part of a sentence, or a word.

I'd've have thought (and I am by no means an expert!!!) that it was more of an idiom than a collocation.

midnightexpress · 08/03/2008 20:37

But what I mean is that in this case it's not dependent on anything. A subordinate clause needs a main clause in order to make sense (as inthe example I gave, where the conditional clause makes no sense without a main clause), whereas here you can use the expression on its own, for example as an expression of frustration 'Oh for Pete's sake!'.

Or am I wrong?

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