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Semicolon before 'and' ?

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MagnoliaMix · 03/02/2023 13:17

Please help, wonderful pedants. I'm using semicolons to separate a list of clauses, the last of which is preceded by 'and'. My colleague insists on a semicolon before the 'and'. But it doesn't sit right with me.

What's correct please ? The sentence is something like: 'Participants discussed the importance of healthcare; competition for jobs; efforts to reform the school system; and opportunities for youth" (but not that sentence!)

TIA

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1Wanda1 · 03/02/2023 13:19

I think that is a correct use of the semicolons, though I would use commas in that sentence structure.

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piedbeauty · 03/02/2023 13:27

Yes, if you're using semicolons in a list, you need one before the 'and' at the end of the list.

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MagnoliaMix · 03/02/2023 13:53

Thank you ! It seems I'm wrong - important to know.

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Babdoc · 03/02/2023 14:14

I’m with 1Wanda1 - I think you should be using commas, not semicolons, as you are writing a simple list in continuous prose. Alternatively, write the items as a vertical list, with no punctuation at all.

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sleepwhenidie · 03/02/2023 14:17

semicolons at the end of each point in the list with "and" after a semicolon after the penultimate point.

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balconylife · 03/02/2023 14:20

I'm with Babdoc. In your example I wouldn't use semicolons at all.

Here's what I would write:

Participants discussed the importance of healthcare, competition for jobs, efforts to reform the school system and opportunities for youth.

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sleepwhenidie · 03/02/2023 14:20

Although, looking again,I thought you meant a list as in...

Participants discussed:
-the importance of healthcare;
-efforts to reform; and
-opportunities for youth.

If this is in a sentence I agree with babdoc re commas.

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SenecaFallsRedux · 03/02/2023 14:29

balconylife · 03/02/2023 14:20

I'm with Babdoc. In your example I wouldn't use semicolons at all.

Here's what I would write:

Participants discussed the importance of healthcare, competition for jobs, efforts to reform the school system and opportunities for youth.

I would use commas, but I would use a comma before "and." The serial or Oxford comma is optional, but with a string of phrases (as opposed to single words), I think it is clearer and more elegant.

If you use semi-colons, you need one before "and." Semi-colons are often the preference for a string of phrases, but these are fairly short, so I would stick with commas.

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SalviaOfficinalis · 03/02/2023 14:33

I’d replace the semi-colons with commas (including an Oxford comma), and also add a colon.

Participants discussed: the importance of healthcare, competition for jobs, efforts to reform the school systems, and opportunities for youth.

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balconylife · 03/02/2023 17:57

I agree with @SenecaFallsRedux about the Oxford comma. It's optional but it does add clarity.

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ElizabethinherGermanGarden · 03/02/2023 18:22

I would use semicolons in a list of one or more items in the list needed a comma (eg between adjectives or before who/which). If I didn't need a comma inside any of the list items, even if they were phrases, I'd use commas.

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follyfoot37 · 19/02/2023 10:11

MagnoliaMix · 03/02/2023 13:17

Please help, wonderful pedants. I'm using semicolons to separate a list of clauses, the last of which is preceded by 'and'. My colleague insists on a semicolon before the 'and'. But it doesn't sit right with me.

What's correct please ? The sentence is something like: 'Participants discussed the importance of healthcare; competition for jobs; efforts to reform the school system; and opportunities for youth" (but not that sentence!)

TIA

Noooo, you do not use a semi-colon before the 'and' (actually, they shouldn't be used in this example - the semi-colon is required after 'of', then a comma should be used when listing items such as these. Indeed, you do not even require an Oxford comma before the and because items on the list all are related.
The Oxford comma would be used for example, if your sentence was
Participants discussed the importance of; healthcare, competition for jobs, efforts to reform the school system, and how these could be addressed

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Abra1t · 19/02/2023 10:15

I would use commas, including one before ‘and’ in this case.

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ZIEVAR · 19/02/2023 10:31

I would use a colon, then commas, but not before the 'and' . i.e. .Participants discussed: the importance of health care, competitions for jobs, reform of the school system and oportunities for youth.
But, I am an old Scottish lady who may have had different teaching.

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spottie · 19/02/2023 10:34

MagnoliaMix · 03/02/2023 13:53

Thank you ! It seems I'm wrong - important to know.

No, you're not wrong! You don't follow a semi colon with a conjunction.

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PedantScorner · 22/02/2023 20:26

Here's what I would write:
Participants discussed the importance of healthcare, competition for jobs, efforts to reform the school system, and opportunities for youth.

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