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Can someone explain the definition of "post modern" to me?

74 replies

BumperliciousIsOneHotMother · 15/01/2008 20:20

I often hear or read it and haven't a clue what it means?

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JossStick · 15/01/2008 21:32

Absolutely not Bumperlicious.

I think everyone has their own take on it and tries to fob other off with it.

It's the 'offside rule' of the art world.

trixymalixy · 15/01/2008 21:33

I'm amazde that anyone feels confident enough with the definition to describe anything as postmodern.

onebatmother · 15/01/2008 21:33

lol joss

ZippiBabes · 15/01/2008 21:35

a historic/al reference in an incongruent context either intentionally or unintentionally

onebatmother · 15/01/2008 21:38

giving weight to something which has previously been seen as culturally unimportant

Tnog · 15/01/2008 21:59

My understanding of the term postmodern is it's a concept for studying culture, art, literature, architecture, in a sceptical way.

Thinking outside the box and turning things upside down.

onebatmother · 15/01/2008 22:24

trixy I believe it does often stand in for 'not what things were like when I was at Uni and there was a lot less of this ghastly relativism around'.

IorekByrnison · 15/01/2008 23:35

Postmodernism is all so very 90's.

I think we are in postpostmodernist times now.

(But I don't get out much nowadays so couldn't really tell you what that means...)

Swedes · 15/01/2008 23:35

I thought when someone used the term postmodern it meant: I am a friendless twat with halitosis.

Twinklemegan · 15/01/2008 23:36

Poncy

onebatmother · 15/01/2008 23:49

Swedes

Well girls that's settled the matter. What would we do without Swedes vigourous brain?

BumperliciousIsOneHotMother · 16/01/2008 08:25

Ok, your challenge for today is to try and use the word (phrase?) post-modern in a conversation today and report back!

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JossStick · 16/01/2008 16:16

DS2 - comes out of class singing three blind mice and asks why the farmer's wife chopped off their tales and if the mice died.

I told him it was a post modern ironic metaphor for the state of the countryside and the government's subsequent pillage thereof.

He is 4 - does this count?

Blandmum · 16/01/2008 16:18

In attitudes to science post modern often = wankery

BecauseImWorthIt · 16/01/2008 16:22

If Modernism was a period of time, followed by another period of time called Post Modernism, when does it end, and what will come next?

Monkeytrousers · 16/01/2008 17:31

like MB said

onebatmother · 16/01/2008 21:01

failed. failed. failed.
is because i am clever and gen-yew-wine.

BIWI the whole future is postmodernisticalism ist.

Monkeytrousers · 16/01/2008 22:02

you forgot 'innit?'

IorekByrnison · 16/01/2008 23:30

BIWI postmodernism happened as a result of a diffusion of political feeling imo. At its peak in the 90's there were apparently no causes pressing enough to be worth making the subject of art, so everyone just made art about art (I'm using the word art v loosely of course to cover literature/comedy/tv etc etc).

I think our happy innocent fin-de-siecle days may be drawing to an end now what with one thing (the clash of extreme ideologies on a global scale) and another (climate change).

onebatmother · 17/01/2008 09:24

true.

IorekByrnison · 17/01/2008 13:17

But the other key factor in all this is the growth of the internet and mass media in general. We are all exposed to a huge diversity of artistic and cultural expression. At the touch of a button or click of a mouse we can switch between anything from contemporary Iranian cinema to The Two Ronnies, say. Postmodernism is in a sense an attempt to make sense of this great jumble of "high" and "low" art.

As well as diversity of artistic form we are also exposed to an unprecedented range of political viewpoints. This makes it much harder to hold one?s own political ideals, as the opposing argument is always readily available. This perhaps is a key factor in the abandonment of politics in postmodern art.

(Another effect of this dearth of absolutes may be that when we are faced with something obviously indefensible ? child pornography being the extreme example ? we respond as a society with extraordinary vehemence, our disgust propelled by the relief of experiencing a rare moral certainty.)

While the volume of information we are exposed to is unlikely to reduce, we can already see moves to censor the information available, through anti-terror legislation for example. If this kind of censorship increases over the coming years, we would expect artists to respond with increasingly politicised art.

But as to the burning question of a name for this new era of post-postmodernism - I have no idea.

IorekByrnison · 17/01/2008 13:19

One last poncetastic thought. Maybe the death of postmodernism can be pinpointed with Damien Hirst?s diamond studded skull: a memento mori speaking of excessive consumption, global capitalism and the earth?s finite resources all at once.

(I love the fact that it?s called ?For the love of God? because that?s what his mum said when he told her what he was working on).

onebatmother · 17/01/2008 13:36

blimey iorek, it's only 1.30.

IorekByrnison · 17/01/2008 13:43

Well I'm, er, "working" today. Otherwise I'd still be in my dressing gown dribbling cornflakes and trying to decide who out of Big Cook and Little Cook was the unhappier man.

onebatmother · 17/01/2008 13:51

also simulation, simulacra and hyperreality?
the idea (very crassly) that the image of an object has become more meaningful/powerful/real than the object itself..

and a bit of poststructuralism thrown in.. er..

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