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Reported speech and capital letters

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SunnySnowyDaze · 23/02/2021 09:09

Could anyone tell me which is correct please?

A. "The cat is not yours." He said, scowling.

B. "The cat is not yours," He said, scowling.

C. "The cat is not yours." he said, scowling.

D. "The cat is not yours," he said, scowling.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 23/02/2021 09:13

D

Chrysanthemum5 · 23/02/2021 09:13

Although actually I'd remove the comma

LetMeStraightenMyCrownFirst · 23/02/2021 09:14

D

Bobbybobbins · 23/02/2021 09:14

D

SleepingStandingUp · 23/02/2021 09:16

D .

A makes it into two sentences so the cat comment and the scowl disconnect. Same for C but with improper capitalisation.

B is only right if his name is He. Otherwise no capital letter. I'd also get rid of the first comma.

ApolloandDaphne · 23/02/2021 09:18

I too would do D without the comma.

LaurieSchafferIsAllBitterNow · 23/02/2021 09:22

He scowled as he said, "The cat is not yours."

Scarby9 · 23/02/2021 09:23

D

NoSquirrels · 23/02/2021 09:34

D

A. "The cat is not yours." He said, scowling.
Wrong because it’s one sentence. “He said, scowling.” isn’t a complete sentence, it needs the first clause.

B. "The cat is not yours," He said, scowling.
Wrong because you’ve got a rogue capital letter without a full stop (unless the character’s given name is in fact He.)

C. "The cat is not yours." he said, scowling.
Wrong because you’ve got a full stop but no capital letter AND the two parts of the sentence are not linked.

D. "The cat is not yours," he said, scowling.
Correct!

QuentinInQuarantino · 23/02/2021 11:00

Is that reported speech? I understood reported speech to be when you use one tense in the past, like:

He said that the cat wasn't hers.

Incidentally, WHY do you use one tense on the past? It isn't the past subjunctive otherwise it would be "weren't hers," wouldn't it? As in "if I were you."

But all the other grammatical rules about using the past are subjunctive related (wishing, conditionals, would rather..) etc.

NoSquirrels · 23/02/2021 13:12

The most interesting thing is that none of those 3 examples of the 'wrong' way to write that sentence shows the most common mistake, which in my experience is getting the punctuation in the wrong place outside the speech marks e.g. "The cat is not yours", he said, scowling.

goodwinter · 23/02/2021 13:15

@QuentinInQuarantino

Is that reported speech? I understood reported speech to be when you use one tense in the past, like:

He said that the cat wasn't hers.

Incidentally, WHY do you use one tense on the past? It isn't the past subjunctive otherwise it would be "weren't hers," wouldn't it? As in "if I were you."

But all the other grammatical rules about using the past are subjunctive related (wishing, conditionals, would rather..) etc.

Isn't that just singular vs plural? The cat wasn't hers The cats weren't hers
DrMadelineMaxwell · 23/02/2021 13:17

It's direct speech.
And d is correct.
Comma before closing the speech marks, then no following capital.

Pulledamonica · 23/02/2021 13:21

D

LetMeStraightenMyCrownFirst · 23/02/2021 14:21

@goodwinter you can have a singular subject with 'were' - it's subjunctive. An example is 'if I were rich...'

SunnySnowyDaze · 23/02/2021 20:21

Thanks all.

However, what if the speech is quotation marks is a full sentence?

For example, here, B would presumably be the correct answer? Even though the speech in quotes is a full sentence?

A. "I will not be returning to the restaurant." he said.

B. "I will not be returning to the restaurant," he said.

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NoSquirrels · 23/02/2021 20:26

B.

It’s not that the first bit isn’t a full sentence, it’s the second bit - the “he said”. You can’t divorce it from the speech, it needs to stay attached to the speech.

VanillaAndOrange · 28/02/2021 17:39

D is correct, but it's not reported speech.

In your last example, B is correct (although again it's not reported speech).

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