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Is ‘had had’ necessary in this sentence?

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TrialOfStyle · 31/12/2020 18:15

“Some had had to suffer through a few daughters before siring a precious son...”

Bridgerton series (don’t judge) - one page in. It’s grating on me. Wouldn’t “some had to suffer...” suffice?

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cheapskatemum · 31/12/2020 18:17

No, it’s the pluperfect tense, denoting previous to the simple past tense.

Ignoremeiaminvisible · 31/12/2020 18:19

Like most things its just colloquial, you learn from listening to those around you. no sweat

TFSRM · 31/12/2020 18:21

You'll like this sentence OP

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher

TrialOfStyle · 31/12/2020 18:22

I used to write like this as uni, funnily enough. Not it just feels uncomfortable. I see why it’s right but it’s grates regardless.

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TrialOfStyle · 31/12/2020 18:23

Now*

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TrialOfStyle · 31/12/2020 18:25

[quote TFSRM]You'll like this sentence OP

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher[/quote]
Ah, that is just painful! I cannot get my head around it, even with the punctuation.

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StepOutOfLine · 17/01/2021 08:15

Past perfect tense, perfectly correct in the example. Yes, we can survive without it, it just helps to signpost chronology in more complex sentences.
Grin my first homework every year is to give the kids the "had had" sentence.

BaggoMcoys · 17/01/2021 08:24

I write "... had had ..." sometimes and it always bothers me. I feel like I have to do it in certain sentences, but I don't like it. I usually go back and rewrite/rearrange my sentence so I can remove it.

Actually, one of the things I think when I do a double had, is that nobody but me does this. I can never recall reading it anywhere but my own writing. I'm quite pleased it's in a book.

morninglive · 10/02/2021 19:21

I always try to combine the first had, as in 'I'd had', 'he'd had', if there's no other option, I just drop the first had, because it is too clunky

Janegrey333 · 17/02/2021 10:53

It’s correct. Use it.

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