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The Missing 'T'

30 replies

butterpuffed · 14/10/2020 08:29

This isn't really about grammar or using the wrong word, it's about pronunciation.

I've noticed recently that so many people miss out the 't' in certain words when talking. 'Thir-y' , 'bi--er' , 'anticipa-ed' etc. Even Jodie Whittaker said 'disappoin-ed' in an interview the other day.

It makes me feel irrationally angry!

OP posts:
overnightangel · 14/10/2020 08:40

It’s called a glottal stop

AdaColeman · 14/10/2020 08:44

Otherwise known as a glo’’al stop! Wink

butterpuffed · 14/10/2020 08:46
Grin
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PrincessButtockUp · 14/10/2020 08:55

You've only noticed it recently? I grew up around it and my mum forever correcting the slightest slip I made. I do the same with my daughter now! Maybe it's a regional variation?

myhobbyisouting · 14/10/2020 08:56

Why have you singled out Jodie Whittaker?

"Even Jodie Whittaker" is from West Yorkshire. It's just how we speak

raddledoldmisanthropist · 14/10/2020 11:44

Why have you singled out Jodie Whittaker?

She's often the Northerner on the BBC required for their quota. There is always at least one a week somewhere- it's PC gorn mad.

There have always been the odd Northerner but previously they were made to assimilate to our culture and learn the language. Some of them don't even seem like they've been to public school.

butterpuffed · 14/10/2020 12:34

@myhobbyisouting

Why have you singled out Jodie Whittaker?

"Even Jodie Whittaker" is from West Yorkshire. It's just how we speak

Just because she's the latest one I recalled, absolutely nothing to do with her being from West Yorkshire!!!
OP posts:
VanillaAndOrange · 15/02/2021 17:55

Maybe it's a regional variation?

It is a regional variation.

sleepyhead · 15/02/2021 17:59

As others have said, it's a glottal stop which just means that they've moved the articulation of the consonant to further back in their mouth.

It isn't "lazy" as it takes just as much effort to form (ie not very much either way). It's a normal variant of speech.

It's certainly not a "missing" sound as your ears will tell you if you listen - you wouldn't confuse butter with a glottal stop for the t, for the word burr.

EmergencyHydrangea · 15/02/2021 18:04

The great vowel shift would have given Mumsnet the vapours!

TheSockMonster · 15/02/2021 18:11

It's certainly not a "missing" sound as your ears will tell you if you listen - you wouldn't confuse butter with a glottal stop for the t, for the word burr.

That’s really interesting - I’d never thought of it that way before.

It reminds me of the way many Americans pronounce a “t” or “tt” as a “d” sound in some words.

LittleRa · 15/02/2021 18:17

@myhobbyisouting

Why have you singled out Jodie Whittaker?

"Even Jodie Whittaker" is from West Yorkshire. It's just how we speak

Came on to say this! EVEN Jodie Whittaker... oh the horror Grin

And yes OP, it’s a glottal stop and part of regional accents. I did linguistics at Uni.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop

LittleRa · 15/02/2021 18:18

Where are you from OP?

BridgertonBunkUp · 15/02/2021 18:19

It’s always been part of some London accents. How have you missed it? Have you been living in a 1950s BBC announcer booth your whole life? Grin.

Try not to get ‘irrationally angry’ about regional accents.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 15/02/2021 18:33

You are not from "raannd" ere are you op?

I am a born and bred Londoner and i say all sorts of things. You are havin a giraffe op! Have a glass of Thames Wortar and you will be fine.

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 15/02/2021 18:45

I can speak posh like wot you do: The rain in Spain, falls mainly on the plain!

Told ya ! Gotta go , havin a warm barf naw!

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 15/02/2021 18:55

And i went to private school anorl.

Oregano20 · 15/02/2021 19:18

I used to hate hearing people correct children when they said wa'er, instead of water etc. It's an accent thing. I dunno. I just think it's snobby

AIMummy · 15/02/2021 19:23

@ElizabethofpeanutYorkies

You are not from "raannd" ere are you op?

I am a born and bred Londoner and i say all sorts of things. You are havin a giraffe op! Have a glass of Thames Wortar and you will be fine.

Wor'er, mate wor'er. Innit tho.
titchy · 15/02/2021 19:28

@Oregano20

I used to hate hearing people correct children when they said wa'er, instead of water etc. It's an accent thing. I dunno. I just think it's snobby
I'm not sure you can just say it's a regional accent. It isn't - it's pretty common to all accents if you're 'sloppy' with speech. Plenty of people with London or 'estuary' accents don't use a glottal stop. Same with dropping the 'g' from 'ing' a la Priti Patel.
ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 15/02/2021 19:36

@AIMummy shaaaatttt uppp!

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/02/2021 19:36

It isn't - it's pretty common to all accents if you're 'sloppy' with speech.

Or 'common' in terms of class, right? I mean that's what you mean. Plenty of public school kids in Liverpool, Scotland and London use RP, why can't they all?

Disgruntled Saaf Laandon girl here who was corrected, innit.

AIMummy · 15/02/2021 19:50

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies

Awight awight calm daaan Grin

titchy · 15/02/2021 19:55

Pronouncing t and g aren't just the preserve of the RP speaking posh you know! You can, believe it or not, pronounce these letters in a Manc or Glasgow or Essex or any other regional accept!

ElizabethofpeanutYorkies · 15/02/2021 19:56

@AIMummy you diffused a potentially very vol-it-isle situ-a-shon. For a minute i faught you woz accusing me of being a scouser!

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