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Needed used up or needed using up

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MynameisHappind · 27/07/2020 14:23

Which is correct? If this is a regional thing, which region is it? And what is this style of grammar called? Eg Past perfect, present continuous etc?

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Alltneteabagshavegone · 27/07/2020 14:26

It needs to be used up - present tense
It needed to used up - past tense

BobbinThreadbare123 · 27/07/2020 14:26

Needed using up.
The other doesn't make sense as it's a mixture of tenses. I don't know if it's regional (if it is, it's not scouse).

Esspee · 27/07/2020 14:29

Needed using up is how I would say it (Scotland)

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 27/07/2020 14:29

It needs to be used up or it needs using up.

It needed to be used up or it needed using up.

It needed used up/ it needed to used up is nonsensical. It may be a regional expression but I don't know where from.

MindyStClaire · 27/07/2020 14:35

I would say needed to be used up, but in NI a lot of people would say needed used up.

MynameisHappind · 27/07/2020 15:05

@Alltneteabagshavegone

It needs to be used up - present tense It needed to used up - past tense
So not 'it needed to be used up' if past tense then?
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TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 27/07/2020 15:54

So not 'it needed to be used up' if past tense then?

“It needed to be used up” is the past tense, yes. “I finished the milk because it needed to be used up before it went off”.

“It needed to used up” doesn’t make any sense.

From the dictionary:

Typical error

The main verb need is followed by to when used with another verb.

I need to have my hair cut.

Not: I need have my hair cut.

MynameisHappind · 27/07/2020 17:57

Thank you all very much.

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Falleninwiththewrongcrowd · 18/08/2020 17:13

The main verb need is followed by to when used with another verb.

I need to have my hair cut.

Not: I need have my hair cut.

But 'need' can also be followed by a gerund when the subject of 'need' is the target of the gerund, but not when it's the agent. So, 'My hair needs cutting' is fine, but not 'I need having my hair cut'.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 01/09/2020 02:38

Needs plus past participle is very common in Scotland: it needs done, it needs finished. It needs "to be" or it sets my teeth on edge.

I'd always say it needs to be done (plus passive), or it needs doing (plus gerund).

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