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Where does the apostrophe go?

26 replies

CatEatCatWorld · 05/06/2020 09:20

Bumblebees dog walking
Bumblebee's dog walking
Bumblebees' dog walking
I feel like I should know this, but my mind has gone blank. Thank you.

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GymSloth · 05/06/2020 09:22

The middle one. Assuming the name of the company is 'Bumblebee'

Knowhowufeel2 · 05/06/2020 09:24

As above if the name is 'Bumblebee'. The last one if the name is 'Bumblebees'.

ButDoUAvocado · 05/06/2020 09:25

If your company name is Bumblebees then the 2nd one.
If you are walking the pet dogs of bumblebees use the 3rd one Grin

RiftGibbon · 05/06/2020 09:25

Is the bumblebee singular - e.g, is it bumblebee who walks the dogs? If so, the second option.
If it is plural - bumblebees who walk the dogs, then it's the last option.

OakleyStreetisnotinChelsea · 05/06/2020 09:26

It rather depends on what you are trying to say!

CatEatCatWorld · 05/06/2020 09:29

Thank you. I want the name to be Bumblebee's as I think it sounds better than Bumblebee. Do you agree?

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GCAcademic · 05/06/2020 09:29

If your company name is Bumblebees then the 2nd one.

That’s wrong. It’s the third one if the name is Bumblebees. The second if the name is Bumblebee.

Snagscardies · 05/06/2020 09:34

If you want the name to be Bumblebee's then it is spelt Bumblebees. So it's the third one.

ButDoUAvocado · 05/06/2020 09:35

@GCAcademic

If your company name is Bumblebees then the 2nd one.

That’s wrong. It’s the third one if the name is Bumblebees. The second if the name is Bumblebee.

Yep, rogue ‘s’ in my post. Meant Bumblebee
buttersidedown · 05/06/2020 09:35

If you want it to be ‘Dog walking of Bumblebee’, then the second one.
If it’s ‘Dog walking of Bumblebees’, then the third one.

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:01

If you want it to be Bumblebee's then it's unchanged. Bumblebee's Dog Walking and then just Bumblebee's on your branding. Bumblebees' is multiple bees and not correct for this situation.

Bumblebee's Dog Walking looks good! Smile

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:08

And the reason for that is that when you're calling it Bumblebee's, you are already naming it as a possessive. The second part (Dog Walking) is just unspoken /unwritten. You don't make a possessive from something that is already possessive.

Same as McDonald's.

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:11

(Well, you can make a possessive from a possessive but it looks terrible so in those cases you're better off rewriting. But for company name it's fine).

PleasantVille · 05/06/2020 10:18

Hmm,

If the name of the business is Bumblebees does it need an apostrophe at all? The dog walking doesn't belong to Bumblebees it's describing what the service is.

If it was Susan's dog walking it would be different but Bumblebees isn't an entity

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:21

She wants the shorthand name to be Bumblebee's, like McDonald's. Not Bumblebees.

So basically like 'Tom's Dog Walking' as a full
company name but on social media or branding or in conversation, for example, you could just call it Tom's for short.

'At Tom's, we take care of your dog.'

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:22

But yes, Bumblebees Dog Walking could take an apostrophe or not. It doesn't have to be possessive, it can just be a name. Like Daisy Dog Walking or something.

PleasantVille · 05/06/2020 10:27

@ScarfLadysBag

She wants the shorthand name to be Bumblebee's, like McDonald's. Not Bumblebees.

So basically like 'Tom's Dog Walking' as a full
company name but on social media or branding or in conversation, for example, you could just call it Tom's for short.

'At Tom's, we take care of your dog.'

Interesting but I still think that Bumblebee is being used as a noun and Bumblebees as a plural where is the possessive?
ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:37

The possessive in Bumblebee's is simply because it's working as shorthand for the full company name of Bumblebee's Dog Walking, like McDonald's fast food, for example.

In a way it's working backwards. Instead of saying 'This is my company name, how do I make it a possessive?' it's more like 'I want to be known as a possessive so what would my full company name be'?

As OP specifically wants to be known as Bumblebee's as shorthand, the apostrophe needs to be used there. If she wanted to be known as Bumblebees' then the same would apply. She could quite easily just be Bumblebee Dog Walking, no apostrophe, too, but she wants Bumblebee's specifically so it's working from that.

With Bumblebees, it's plural but it's also a noun. The possessive comes in a similar way as the first, if you choose to use it. The shorthand company name is Bumblebees but if you want to then use the Dog Walking suffix, you can either use the apostrophe if you want to indicate that it's the dog-walking service that belongs to your business or just leave it out if you want it just to function as a plural noun.

PleasantVille · 05/06/2020 10:37

Thinking about it a few years ago I had a job that involved fund raising and had to contact various charities, they often had this sort of name, this is an example of what I'm saying

www.acorns.org.uk/

They are using a plural noun and nowhere do they have an apostrophe

ShowOfHands · 05/06/2020 10:45

Richard and Maurice Mcdonald started McDonald's, hence the apostrophe.

BitOfFun · 05/06/2020 10:49

🐝Bumblebees- for all your dog-walking needs.🐝

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:52

Yes, it's often just personal preference when you're using a proper noun as to what you want the nuance to be.

Without apostrophes can look a lot less fussy and nicer for branding in a lot of cases too, particularly for brands that end in S.

There's no right or wrong answer really, just company preference and how you want it to sound/scan.

This is quite an interesting read about a specific case: www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/apostrophes-in-company-names?page=all

Bakers Toolkit, which is perfectly fine as using a plural non-possessive noun, but could be Baker's Toolkit or Bakers' Toolkit depending on your interpretation and intents

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:56

And speaking of apostrophes with founder names/names inspired by people, real or fictional, Tim Hortons and Starbucks both go without, so even when stuff grammatically does call for them, branding is a powerful consideration! Ditto Waterstones and Barclays.

ScarfLadysBag · 05/06/2020 10:59

Oh and OP could just call herself Bumblebee Dog Walking and refer to herself as Bumblebee's in shorthand, which would be my preference.

CatEatCatWorld · 05/06/2020 11:08

Thank you all so much Smile knew I could count on yous (you's?) Lol

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