I done the same

[beanaseireann]

Jesus wept...
I just saw on a thread "....... I done the same for her...."
Aghhhhh
I done
I seen
I think it's an Irish thing.
I'm Irish living in Ireland.
We have free education up to third level.
Why do people not know that it's incorrect?

@WineIsMyCarb what's a transition form? It was a private school in Shropshire and J3 and J4 were taught together by her. I have such fond memories of her and my time there. Proper individual desks. Silence when working. I can't do group work and lots of chatter and do so much better with my head down in peace and quiet. And with a proper pen. No biros allowed!

I must admit, my spoken grammar in an informal setting would probably set most of your teeth on edge... I've just told DH that the car needs washed but I might leave it while next week.

I don't particularly care if it sounds common. I wouldn't phrase it that way in the boardroom or even written down, but if I'm not having to mind my ps and qs and the person I'm speaking to is likely to understand the meaning, I'm not overfussed to be honest. It's just dialect isn't it?

the use of "haitch" instead of "aitch." Mrs. B used to make people look that one up too.

Mrs B would be wrong about the haitch vs aitch. That is simply different pronunciation depending on regional dialect. Many english people throw r's into words when they speak (drawring etc). I'm sure Mrs B wouldn't have corrected them. Haitch vs aitch is exactly the same.

Very Plymothian phrase. I can't stand it.

Along with "I'm going to go toilet"
Really? You cant slip an extra two words in?

Innit tho.

Sounds like a different Mrs B based on location, but this was a private school in the Lake District. 'Transition' was between Kindergarten (5year olds) and 'Form 1' (7yo). Not sure what we were transitioning from and to!!

She was a fantastic teacher. Strict, kind, exacting, encouraging, nurturing, quite frightening! She was called Mrs Burbidge. I expect she's passed now as this was early 90s. She was utterly brilliant!

'Tret' is wonderful! why's it any worse than 'ate' or 'spoke' or any other irregular past-tense form?

"Haitch" was not in our dictionary at the time although I appreciate it has been added since.

Why do Americans say 'erbs instead of herbs? Why drop the aitch? I read about it on here sometime ago but I can't remember the explanation. Might have been something to do with the French.

@AndItStillSaidFourOfTwo But 'ate' and 'spoke' are real words, not mangled neologisms! Although in my self-righteous huffing around internet search engines on the subject, I did discover that a 'tret' is a historical noun meaning 'an allowance of extra weight made to purchasers of certain goods to compensate for waste during transportation.' So that was nice. 😄

Ooh, that's interesting about tret being a historical noun! I love the idea of 'self-righteous huffing' too!

Since I'm on about The Lakes, "tret" is indeed the past participle of 'to treat'. So in that region, "he tret me badly" is kosher.

I am old enough to have parents who were scolded so much for using regional words at school that they effectively had two dialects while growing up, with the 'proper' version winning out in the end and the dialect gone. I have no doubt that this happened to my Papa's generation as well, which is why the words he used are now, three generations later, lost to us. While I admire teachers who instill proper grammar, without care we lose language, which means losing nuance, expression and meaning.

Come visit the Welsh valleys! Your teeth will be on edge the whole time. The kettle will be boilt, the biscuits will be drug out of the cupboard. My favourite is 'where to is that?' - I mock use that one affectionately. But I HATE 'need gone' on selling pages. And 'I done it' is awful. I'm such a language snob, but I do try hard to suppress my rage and accept it.

It’s not fucking Welsh as well! Doubt It’s Irish either.

It’s just individuals

Electric instead of electricity gets to me.

I've heard people say things along the lines of 'I need to plug this into the electric to charge'.

Grrr...

Going private instead of going privately.

OrdinaryGirl, see wineismycarb's post - most dialect uses couldn't be further from 'mangled neologisms'.

A lot of the attitudes on here are evidence of the success of endeavours to impose a standard version of a language as a way of maintaining power and prestige - we have internalised the notion of dialect as 'bad'/'stupid'/'wrong' and standard forms of language as 'correct'/'intelligent'/'good'.

'Going private' indicates a difference in meaning from 'going privately' (= going anywhere alone/quietly/without public knowledge or fanfare), though. It's a fixed idiom - a sort of modified ellipsis for 'using private services'. And in terms of its grammatical structure it is no more illegitimate than 'going rogue'.

Gosh.
Are we really allowed to be pedantic here without someone invading this thread, violently splitting infinitives, dangling our modifiers and kicking us in the predicates on the way out?
I'm a dreadful pedant. Actually, that's not true. I'm an excellent and archetypal pedant but that does annoy people sometimes.

Anyway. Just wanted to say:

Joolery

and

Seckerterry

and

yuk!

(Really? We can Express a preference for correct English? Again I say: gosh)

"Express".
Petard: hoisted by own 🙄

I've noticed a lot of the use of effect instead of affect on mn recently.

English is an amazing and beautiful language . Very varied too. We should be proud of it and use it correctly. I love some accents-Yorkshire and Geordie in particular. I also love the Irish accent. My ex brother-in-law was from Norfolk - I couldn't understand a word of what he was saying when I first met him.

I blame TV, text speak, and the internet for how the spoken word has gone downhill. I've also noticed less emphasis on spelling at school. Until SATs were looming, my daughters's spelling was not corrected. At 12 DD1 is still using your instead of you're and alot. It doesn't help that her dad lives in a very deprived area and his speech has gone severely downhill since he walked out. They both come back with gutter speech and have me reaching for the Valium 😩 His girlfriend takes the piss out of how I speak because I "don't speak normal like them." 🙄

London too. " I seen her yesterday"

Or something I say "Yeah I know, I see her yesterday"

I know the correct way to speak though, DP has just rubbed off on me.

I'm a primary school teacher and children saying 'Can I go toilet?' is a massive problem. I have to correct it at least 5/6 times a day every day.

She’ll say, for example, ‘I had a missed call from him why I was in the shower.’ 😱

Is she saying "why" of "while" without the "L" sound? I say "while" like that - my tongue doesn't touch my teeth or roof if mouth to make the "L" so if comes out as as Whyw with a sort of glottal stop sound. Like "Miwk" or "trubbow" for "milk" and "trouble".

And I will admit to - "I'm going toilet" at home. Or "I'm gonna go shops"

Some interesting examples of non-pedants on Pedants' Corner