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Correct usage of 'nor'

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BlisdergamesbeginPack · 31/07/2012 13:52

Can someone tell me if this line from a poem by my DD is alright please?

Not Jack, nor Jill, nor He.

I've looked online but they only mention using neither+nor, but it wouldn't work as well in her poem so she's used not+nor. She's also not sure if 'nor' or 'or' is correct. The more I think about it the more wrong every possibility seems. Your thoughts please?

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DoingItForMyself · 31/07/2012 14:19

I'd have thought that 'nor' is basically 'or' but used in a negative context, so given that the start of the sentence is 'Not' (a negative word) its ok.

How old is your DD - does it really matter?! Should you not be encouraging her poetry regardless of pedantic grammar issues? Grin

lilbreeze · 31/07/2012 14:26

I think nor is fine there.

Is "he" definitely right though? Depends on the context obviously Grin

DoingItForMyself · 31/07/2012 14:30

Now you're just getting picky lilbreeze Grin

'He' with a capital letter generally means God/Jesus, rather than just general 'he' meaning any random bloke, or should it be 'Him/him'?

Can you post the whole thing Blisder? We can go through it with a red pen.

BlisdergamesbeginPack · 31/07/2012 15:49

She is ten DoingIt, and the poem is for a competition, hence not wanting to post the whole thing. She thinks people are going to swoop down and copy it The rest is pretty straightforward anyway, I don't think there are errors.

I was unsure about the He too. It's definitely not God, she has an arrow next to the He pointing to a doodle of the person she's talking about Grin. It's a very well-known book villain. So is it He/he/Him or him? Confused

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DoingItForMyself · 31/07/2012 16:20

Do you know what, its a poem, so normal rules don't need to apply anyway. If it sounds right to her, then it is right! Good luck to her in the competition.

SirEdmundFrillary · 31/07/2012 16:23

Agree with Doing above

Catsmamma · 31/07/2012 16:23

isn't nor used with neither

neither use nor ornament
either put up or shut up

that sort of thing! :o

i'd say it works alliteratively is that even a word??

SirEdmundFrillary · 31/07/2012 16:25

And for what it's worth I think 'Not Jack, nor Jill, nor He' is a damn good line.

BlisdergamesbeginPack · 31/07/2012 16:27

Super! Thank you everyone. She can leave it as it is then.

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nickelbarapasaurus · 06/08/2012 16:17

yes, as everyone's said - the N on nor says "look, it's negative!" and the O on Or says "look, it's positive!"

which is why, quite often in hymns, you'll find Nor when there's never been a Not or a Neither.
"in thee do we trust, nor find thee to fail" - the Nor means that you don't see God failing. :)
(sorry to quote hymns in a secular section, it's just a very good common usage of words like that)

prism · 06/08/2012 17:32

"Since brass, nor stone, nor earth, nor boundless sea,
But sad mortality o'er-sways their power"...

Shakespeare, Sonnet 65. No specific need for "neither", it would appear.

Dozer · 07/09/2012 18:34

Yy it is a good line!

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