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July 1st or July *the* first?

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SweetestThing · 20/03/2012 22:29

Listening to the news on tv and the reporter has twice said dates in the format "July 1st" rather than "July the first". This isn't the way we usually say dates in the UK, is it? Or am I just an old gimmer who's imagining things now (entirely possible, sadly....)

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ChishAndFips · 20/03/2012 22:33

You're right, 'July 1st' is horribly American and it really grates when I hear it said. It is not difficult to say 'the'!

HandMadeTail · 20/03/2012 22:35

Anyway, isn't it "1st of July"?Smile

OhDoGetAGrip · 20/03/2012 22:36

It's the first of July...

PinkPepper · 20/03/2012 22:39

what is happening that they've mentioned it twice? Just nosy as I am due that day...

SquirtedPerfumeUpNoseInBoots · 20/03/2012 22:40

Yes first of July.

I predict we will hear this type of Americianism soon:

"She walked into a shop Monday, when she was attacked by an axe murderer"

SweetestThing · 20/03/2012 22:45

Ax murderer, surely? Wink

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SweetestThing · 20/03/2012 22:47

PinkPepper, it was really just an example of the format, but it was a feature about Amelia Earhart.

Maybe it's a Scottish thing, saying 'July the first' instead of always 'the first of July'.

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ChishAndFips · 20/03/2012 22:50

You could be right SweetestThing, I am Scottish.

SetFiretotheRain · 20/03/2012 22:51

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CherryCheesecake · 20/03/2012 22:53

Im from nw england and say both 1st of July and July the 1st. Hate July 1st, its always on film adverts.

SquirtedPerfumeUpNoseInBoots · 20/03/2012 23:01

Blush iPad is American.

SweetestThing · 20/03/2012 23:03

Ax is the American spelling, Squirted. I was trying to be pedantic about your Amercianism comment Wink

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BackforGood · 20/03/2012 23:05

I'd go with "The first of July" too.
At a push Wink, I could cope with "July the first"

but "July 1st" is just wrong.

cattj · 22/03/2012 01:41

I've heard several instances where "July one" has been used instead. Yuk!

I predict we will hear this type of Americianism soon:
"She walked into a shop Monday, ..."

There's several TV ads over the weekend that end with "... available on Blue-ray and DVD Monday".

I'd guess that at least one third of all UK TV advertising is using scripts and/or actors (or just the whole ad, uncut) from the US.

nickelhasababy · 22/03/2012 13:33

1st of uly.

july 1st is US.

we say the 1st of july, but write 1st july.

(with caps in correct places - one-handed, feeding)

LindyHemming · 23/03/2012 18:45

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Rinkan · 03/04/2012 18:09

If "July first" is American, how come they always say "the Fourth of July"? Wink

(I think I know the answer actually- "the fourth of July" is the official name for the holiday, but if a newscaster were talking about something done on that date, they'd say "he arrived on July fourth".

A related question- I was trained to write in business letters "we refer to your letter of 2 February 2012" i.e. no "nd". ( or st or th). I really hate th and st and nd in letters, to me it looks colloquial and wrong. However if I were phoning someone I'd say "we last spoke on the tenth of January". Weird, eh?

clam · 10/04/2012 10:11

A similar gripe for me is neglecting 'and' in larger numbers, e.g. four hundred eight four.
Those bastard Americans!

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