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Pedants' corner

Surely the the HMRC Tax Return Form should be grammatically correct?

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SpeedyGonzalez · 30/01/2011 22:43

While filling in my tax return I noticed these errors:

"If none of them apply, please select the box 'None of these apply'." - instead of "applies"

"I am a practicing barrister." - instead of "practising".

I know this is extremely pedantic, and I'd never pick up on an individual's errors like this. However, surely HMRC should be able to get this stuff right?

Tsk. 40 lines to HMRC. To the power of 1 million.

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sleepwhenidie · 30/01/2011 22:48

Not sure about "practicing", could relate to a barrister "in practice"? But "apply" is correct IMO- none of these things, plural, apply?

SpeedyGonzalez · 30/01/2011 22:57

No, we use the 'c' in the noun form: a practice. But the verb is 'ise' - 'to practise'.

And in "none of these", the verb refers to 'none', i.e. 'not one'. We'd say "Not one of these applies."

I admit I am being pedantic (but hey, this is the Pedant's Corner) but it's rather sloppy of them.

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streakybacon · 31/01/2011 07:22

Very sloppy indeed.

I think you should refuse to pay your taxes, as a protest Grin.

sleepwhenidie · 31/01/2011 16:38

This is bothering me nowConfused. I know I am being pedantic in the extreme too Grin and I agree with you about the use of practicing rather than practising, but I still think apply can be correct, as could applies...because there is no solid definition of none - ie it could be referring to the different circumstances as a group, "apply" or individually "applies"?

Any other opinions?! We need an expert - apologies Speedy, if you are one!

prism · 31/01/2011 17:02

I think you'll find that "none" is short for "not one" and hence always takes the singular verb.

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amothersplaceisinthewrong · 31/01/2011 17:07

Apply is correct IMO - none is a singular noun. Practicing is wrong.

sleepwhenidie · 31/01/2011 19:58

What have you started speedy Grin?

SpeedyGonzalez · 01/02/2011 01:59

Aaaarrrrgggghhhh! So sorry! I'm normally such an easy-going lass, but when it comes to institutional grammatical transgressions I turn into a tiger! I am sort of an expert, as a former English teacher.

Amother - actually I think 'none' is an adverb or adjective. It's definitely not a noun, though. It's too late and I'm too tired to search online, but I will do so tomorrow!

streaky - what a fine idea! Grin

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WhiteRose26 · 04/02/2011 20:42

I correct spelling errors when I am filling in forms. In red. The offer letter I received when I changed jobs referred to my employer's "equal opportunity's policy". Needless to say, I corrected that on the copy I had to sign and return.

midnightexpress · 04/02/2011 20:48

None is a quantifying preposition (I think...) and it 'should' take a singular verb because it means 'not one'. So 'applies' would be correct. But I believe the plural verb is also acceptable these days.

Practising should be spelt with an 's' in British English. US English uses the 'c' for the noun and the verb.

SpeedyGonzalez · 04/02/2011 20:51

Gasp! I did that today, Whiterose!

Midnight - ooh, you know yer grammar, don'tcha?! Grin

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midnightexpress · 04/02/2011 20:52

Innit.

midnightexpress · 04/02/2011 20:53

But I have a frightfully tedious job as a result Grin.

ChaosTrulyReigns · 04/02/2011 20:53

When I was applying for DD's place for Reception I was filling in the section with her details (name address etc) and took great glee in filling in the box asking for mobile phone number with "I think she's a bit young".

Oh how I chortled.

SpeedyGonzalez · 04/02/2011 21:11

Chaos, I would do that as well! Grin

Midnight: Is dat! Grin

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