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Has this been asked before? An historical event?

21 replies

IMoveTheStars · 31/07/2010 23:10

I'm sure 'an historical event' must be right, the BBC use it constantly.

Drives me mad though, but I'm probably wrong. Am I?

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SingItBack · 31/07/2010 23:13

ahhh have a feeling that although you should only say 'a' before a word starting with a consonant, words starting with an 'h' have special dispensation.......

IMoveTheStars · 31/07/2010 23:13

I always thought that the only exception was 'an hour' but I guess an 'istorical event' is another?

[twitch]

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bronze · 31/07/2010 23:14

Say it in a pseudo French accent. If it sounds right then, it probably is.

SingItBack · 31/07/2010 23:21

I think actually that it is one of those grammatical oddities, that if it sounds right, then it is.........Sorry about your twitch

IMoveTheStars · 31/07/2010 23:26

nice name, SIB

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SingItBack · 31/07/2010 23:30

ohhh thanks JTGK, it's new

IMoveTheStars · 31/07/2010 23:31

I know, i saw your other thread

-adds ribbons for twirling-

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SingItBack · 31/07/2010 23:35

wow ribbons, I feel like the May Queen. Life don't get much better than this

edam · 31/07/2010 23:39

Yup, an historical is correct. But 'a historical' would be as correct, 'an' just sounds nicer. Some v. posh people still say an 'otel although tends to restricted to the elderly.

edam · 31/07/2010 23:40

to be FGS, I really should go to bed!

IMoveTheStars · 31/07/2010 23:44

arf.

Thanks, I had a feeling it was correct but it annoys me that it is

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NonnoMum · 31/07/2010 23:52

Think it's something to do with the the "h" sound.

My nan was so posh (don'tyaknow) that she used to say, "an hotel".

I tried using it at school aged about 8, and everyone just larfed and larfed.

Even the teacher.

'Twas a state school.

IMoveTheStars · 31/07/2010 23:56

My teacher asked us an annoying question when I was about 8.

which is the only word that doesn't begin with a vowel that you can follow with 'an'

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edam · 01/08/2010 10:21

Do you mean that you can prefix with 'an'? Any word beginning with 'h'!

NonnoMum · 01/08/2010 16:10

Not just any "h" word, but certain ones... but I don't know the rule for which...

BitOfFun · 01/08/2010 16:14

'An historic' is clearer than 'a historic' really too, because there is a word 'ahistoric'.

NonnoMum · 01/08/2010 16:15

Ooh, like the way you're thinking Bitof...

LilMagill · 06/08/2010 20:22

It's just a rule left over from French that is completely irrelevant to English. Some French words beginning with 'h' are treated differently to others. e.g. "la haine" (hatred), not "l'haine", even though the h is still silent. I'm puzzled as to why this has become a rule of English seeing as usually the 'rule' is that French-influenced language is terribly non-U, like serviette or pardon. I hereby declare you can ignore it.

NonnoMum · 07/08/2010 23:21

An hinteresting reply. Thank you, Lil, and pardon my hignorance, but non-U?

Fink · 08/08/2010 19:46

Non-U meaning what plebs say, like settee rather than sofa, or dessert rather than pudding. The idea bring that you can tell someone's class from their vocabulary! I've always been puzzled by the French rule since time was when only the peasants spoke English and the nobility spoke French so you would think words derived from French would be U, but no.

Getting back on task: the general rule in English (and to a certain extent in French, though there are so many exceptions I don't think it should count as a rule) is that if the h is silent you use 'an', if it's sounded you use 'a'; words like historical and horrendous are exceptions.

BTW Nonno - you remind me of someone doing a fake West Indian accent Wink

NonnoMum · 08/08/2010 20:45

Oh, sweetheart, I have a plethora of dodgy accents...
I'm wasted in the printed word. Give me a radio show!

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