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To be concerned about Ds24?

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brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 15:35

Hello,

This is likely far above the MN pay grade but would like some advice on how I can help my DS because I'm at a loss to be honest.

To cut a long story short, he's highly intelligent but has always been highly anxious and sensitive. In primary school he was well-behaved and high-achieving but often reluctant to attend school. By the time he started secondary school he began with school refusal. By 12 he was very disruptive in school and suspended or in isolation most of the time. By 15 he was no longer attending school at all. By the time 2016 rolled around, when he should have been completing his GCSEs, he was at home all day doing nothing and had no qualifications. CAMHS were useless and discharged him within months because he refused to speak to them. At home he was a nightmare- would often run away and refuse to get in touch with us, aggressive episodes, self-harm. We eventually convinced him the following year to sit two GCSEs that we paid for privately which he did and he passed them. He then went to sixth form to study A-Levels and did exceptionally well with top grades although he continued being highly anxious and very, very isolated. We thought we had turned a corner with him especially when he began a degree at university although he lived at home.

Since graduating from university, however, things have gotten much worse with him. He has not been able to hold down any job he has had so far. The longest job he had lasted ten months, the shortest four weeks. The ten month job was a L2 apprenticeship and they took on multiple apprentices including 16 year olds. DS was the only one they didn't keep on because they said he didn't fit in with the team, seemed withdrawn and reluctant to do things and lacked initiative.

He now lives alone in his own flat. He moved out last year with some support from us as we were struggling to manage him at home and we felt he may be better with his own space- there were lots of arguments over him not doing stuff in the house, not looking after his room etc. Since then he has had three jobs so far, all below his qualifications but he still can't hold them down. His flat is a mess- we visit him once a fortnight and he often hasn't done laundry properly, hasn't done dishes or put the bins out etc. He has no friends and no real connections, only leaves the flat to go to work. When he is off work he stays inside the flat until it is time to go back to work again whether that be for a weekend, a week or even a fortnight. Gets things like his shopping delivered. He used to have friends but he ends up cutting contact with them and ghosting them. He's been on dates with young women that he claimed went well but he'll then ghost them. We ask him why and he says he doesn't know but he just panics. He used to enjoy running and going on hikes. He doesn't do that anymore. Says he thinks about doing it but gets stressed when it's time for him to do it. He'll make plans to do something or go somewhere and then stay in bed and not actually do it. Struggles with speaking with people and if a stranger speaks to him he'll sometimes panic and be unable to speak to them. One of his neighbours when I was went around last time asked me if he was deaf. I told them he wasn't and asked them why they thought that. They'd tried to speak to him but he pointed to his ear and pretended he was deaf to avoid speaking to them. He doesn't speak to anyone apart from colleagues at work and us when we visit. We try ringing him but he sometimes doesn't answer the phone. Can't manage his finances at all and has debt from various credit cards. We ask him what he has spent it on and he says "I don't know."

We convinced him to see the GP who thinks he is autistic and ADHD and has referred him for assessment but they have said there is nothing they can do in the meantime. We told him to apply for PIP but each time he's tried ringing them he's panicked and hung up the phone as soon as they speak so he's decided he's not doing that. He keeps telling us that he doesn't feel depressed but he 'doesn't feel like himself' and has no interest in anything anymore and that the world doesn't feel real or important to him anymore. He's always loved animals so we tried getting him a kitten to look after. We checked with him first to make sure he wanted one and he said he did. He loves her and takes care of her in terms of feeding her and petting her but he doesn't really interact with her by playing with her or anything. Yet when he was younger we had rabbits and he was always so engaged with them and begged us for a cat.

He's always been different but he seems to be getting more eccentric as he gets older and seems almost disconnected from everything in a way. He went back to the GP but I'm not sure what he's telling them as he came out with them just confirming that he's on the waiting list and giving him a list of websites to help him in the meantime.

I just don't know what to do to help him in the meantime or where he could go for more support and I'm very concerned about his future. My DH thinks I'm being over dramatic and he's just a young adult trying to find his way and will be fine once he finds his niche. Is he right? I'm just so worried :(

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Tumbleweed44 · 19/02/2025 16:21

Why did he move out to live alone and even more isolated?

Organisedwannabe · 19/02/2025 16:24

Can you afford private ASD and ADHD assessment for him?

Can you help him apply for PIP?

stayathomer · 19/02/2025 16:25

Yes sorry op, is there any way you’d have him back? Can you get him back into a family dynamic where you go back to kids’ stuff, family movies and board games, watching quiz shows? Do you have relatives that could contact him just for an everyday chat?

brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 16:26

Tumbleweed44 · 19/02/2025 16:21

Why did he move out to live alone and even more isolated?

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Because he wanted to as he got a job offer in an industry he liked in a city 200 miles from us. And as a 24 year old man we had no way to stop him. The job didn’t last but he is adamant he doesn’t want to move home as he says he gets irritated by us especially his dad.

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Hollyhedge · 19/02/2025 16:26

So sorry, the stress of this sounds enormous. Can you support him to get private mental health support?

brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 16:27

Organisedwannabe · 19/02/2025 16:24

Can you afford private ASD and ADHD assessment for him?

Can you help him apply for PIP?

No we have looked into it but it’s not affordable for us. I have offered to help him apply for PIP though and we’ve agreed I’ll ring them for him first thing tomorrow.

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brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 16:31

Hollyhedge · 19/02/2025 16:26

So sorry, the stress of this sounds enormous. Can you support him to get private mental health support?

We’ve looked into it but we don’t know what we are doing tbh, I’ll admit that. The doctors have told us that he doesn’t have any diagnosable MH conditions but neurodiversity. They did refer him for online cbt but he said it was patronising and he refused to engage.

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FairyBlueEyes · 19/02/2025 16:35

Sounds like he needs a bit of therapy maybe or just someone to talk to. What interests did he used to have apart from hiking? Could he join a club with like-minded individuals, a walking club or Chess for example as they tend to be more introverted individuals. Could he move nearer to you and you could always go to a club with him for the first few times if he doesn’t want to go on his own.

GaraMedouar · 19/02/2025 16:35

Sorry to hear this OP. Yes , it is a worry - he sounds pretty much the same as my son - very intelligent academically too, did a degree, but is very isolated , no friends as such. He is I’m convinced autistic /ADHD but refuses to accept that or have any assessment done.
He does at least do a weekly sport and go to a gym.

AtomHeartMotherOfGod · 19/02/2025 16:39

He definitely has many ASC traits. Could you arrange to have a house where he can live, just separately, so you can be a silent support? A relative of mine has ASC and has that kind of arrangement with his parents.

I think your DH is in denial - maybe he also has ASC? There's a strong genetic link.

Lyn397 · 19/02/2025 16:40

Yes I was thinking ASD from the second paragraph. Has he got a job now OP? If not how is he paying his rent? It sounds like having a cleaner might really help him - could he afford that? He might find that anxiety anti depressants would really help with the social anxiety, definitely worth considering.

He sounds a lot like my DS tbh, you have to change your expectations with him probably being ND, but it sounds like his anxiety is getting worse and making his world smaller and smaller. If he won't consider anti d's could you go and stay with him for a bit and get him into a bit of a better routine where he goes out for walks. He might find wearing obvious headphones keeps him 'safe' from random people asking him things when he's out.

brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 16:59

Thanks for all the responses so far, I really appreciate them.

He is working now, yes on minimum wage. He was unemployed for three months and paid his rent from savings. He lived at home during uni so saved a lot of his maintenance loan. He has been at his current retail job for a month but has been talking about leaving saying his colleagues don’t like him. I have no idea if that’s true or not but he’s been applying for other jobs.

He’s not interested in things like board games or video games so it’s hard to find social groups that interest him.

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Hollyhedge · 19/02/2025 17:10

brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 16:59

Thanks for all the responses so far, I really appreciate them.

He is working now, yes on minimum wage. He was unemployed for three months and paid his rent from savings. He lived at home during uni so saved a lot of his maintenance loan. He has been at his current retail job for a month but has been talking about leaving saying his colleagues don’t like him. I have no idea if that’s true or not but he’s been applying for other jobs.

He’s not interested in things like board games or video games so it’s hard to find social groups that interest him.

So frustrating. Someone who is struggling that much to talk to people clearly has a mental health issue, social anxiety. I am no expert though. If he was agreeable a private clinical psychologist would be somewhere to start. I really hope things start to look up. Any siblings or other family he is in touch with?

PanicPanicc · 19/02/2025 18:37

OP, I relate to some points regarding your DS but regarding PIP I just want to warn you it might take a while, everything he says checked out, there’s not much the GP can do besides referring for assessment.

My DP has recently applied to PIP as he was diagnosed as a child and didn’t know it was an option and they’ve requested proof of diagnosis, I just want to warn you your DS might have to wait for the assessment. Unfortunately at the moment the waiting list is shockingly long.

If his flat is chaos, is he able to properly care for his pet?

brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 18:56

Hollyhedge · 19/02/2025 17:10

So frustrating. Someone who is struggling that much to talk to people clearly has a mental health issue, social anxiety. I am no expert though. If he was agreeable a private clinical psychologist would be somewhere to start. I really hope things start to look up. Any siblings or other family he is in touch with?

Not really, no. His brother is 20 but they don’t talk at all and don’t socialise out of forced occasions. They don’t have much in common to be honest, which is a shame.

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FairyBlueEyes · 19/02/2025 18:58

GaraMedouar · 19/02/2025 16:35

Sorry to hear this OP. Yes , it is a worry - he sounds pretty much the same as my son - very intelligent academically too, did a degree, but is very isolated , no friends as such. He is I’m convinced autistic /ADHD but refuses to accept that or have any assessment done.
He does at least do a weekly sport and go to a gym.

The gym is a good shout, would he be interested in this OP, or some kind of martial art? It would build his confidence whilst getting him out and about. It’s good he still goes to his job and is not totally isolated but obviously needs a bit of help until he finds his ‘place’ in the world so to speak.

brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 18:59

PanicPanicc · 19/02/2025 18:37

OP, I relate to some points regarding your DS but regarding PIP I just want to warn you it might take a while, everything he says checked out, there’s not much the GP can do besides referring for assessment.

My DP has recently applied to PIP as he was diagnosed as a child and didn’t know it was an option and they’ve requested proof of diagnosis, I just want to warn you your DS might have to wait for the assessment. Unfortunately at the moment the waiting list is shockingly long.

If his flat is chaos, is he able to properly care for his pet?

Oh dear that’s really worrying. The GP informed us the autism and adhd assessment could take years to happen. We were hoping for PIP so we can afford support like a cleaner or private MH support and for him to be able to work part time to try and reduce his burnout and anxiety in work. Otherwise he has no choice but to work full time to pay his bills and he really isn’t coping. I’m not sure how he’ll last another year like this let alone four or five as the GP estimated the assessment could take.

Yes, the place isn’t unliveable or anything or I wouldn’t let him live there let alone the pet! It’s just untidy.

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brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 19:03

FairyBlueEyes · 19/02/2025 18:58

The gym is a good shout, would he be interested in this OP, or some kind of martial art? It would build his confidence whilst getting him out and about. It’s good he still goes to his job and is not totally isolated but obviously needs a bit of help until he finds his ‘place’ in the world so to speak.

Nope, we tried that as my other DS likes the gym. Without being too outing and being very unmumsnetty as everyone here seems to have very tall DC, he’s very short for his age which I think affects his confidence too. He doesn’t like gyms or gym work at all. He does like swimming but the only leisure centre he can get to charges £8 a session for a swim which he says he can’t afford. Definitely wouldn’t do martial arts I don’t think, although I can ask him.

He used to like running but got frustrated that he couldn’t get what he considered a ‘good’ time so he stopped which was a huge shame.

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FairyBlueEyes · 19/02/2025 19:30

My DS is not that tall either and as soon as he realised he wasn’t growing upwards he decided to do weights and grow outwards instead 😆

Such a shame your DS doesn’t get on with his brother as that could be a way to open up his social life.

RachelLikesTea · 19/02/2025 20:02

Is he happy (or even, content?). He loves animals, perhaps he could consider working with animals? His messy flat is pretty normal for a young adult.

brownbear201 · 19/02/2025 20:10

RachelLikesTea · 19/02/2025 20:02

Is he happy (or even, content?). He loves animals, perhaps he could consider working with animals? His messy flat is pretty normal for a young adult.

I’m not sure, it’s hard to tell with him. He wanted to work with animals but almost all jobs with animals required a driving licence and he can’t drive and is too anxious to learn. He tried with one instructor who let him go because he said he couldn’t teach him because he was too anxious and would make mistakes and panic so I think that knocked his confidence a lot. We got in touch with one more who arranged a trial lesson with him and then never replied to us presumably because he wasn’t very good at the trial lesson. We’ve had difficulty finding one with availability who will be patient enough with him since and he can’t afford to learn now either as he’s spent his savings.

He never wanted to be a vet or anything, he was more interested in things like dog walking but of course you need to be able to drive to do it.

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Apothecary266 · 19/02/2025 20:18

CBT rarely works with ND people. Counselling or therapy in a different form might be better. He definitely sounds depressed however.

spidersleg · 19/02/2025 20:38

Hi op, I just read your thread and was amazed at how I could relate, if you'd written it on my behalf about my son, I'd say spot on post it.

He's 24 and moved into a room last year and is autistic with ADHD, he's also become like your son and we've put it down to anxiety and ptsd from feelings of exclusion and not fitting into society, also the stress of functioning all day at work and he's just burnt out on his days off so needs to recover.
I know how hard it is to live with him and if I'm honest our marriage wouldn't survive him moving back and I worry that if he doesn't gain any independence he never will and we won't be able to take care of him one day.
You can only be there for him as you are, it sounds like you're doing great and as long as he has you as a safety net I think just keep in the background and let him see what he can do.
We're only 2 roads away from ours so he comes by most days for dinner or help with post etc, we just include him in the family life as much as possible and he knows the door is always open.

Ironrailing · 19/02/2025 20:47

Sounds similar to Ds - we paid for private ADHD assessment (he’d already had an autism diagnosis but the NHS won’t recognise the ADHD result even though they outsource the testing to the company we used. So we have to pay for his prescriptions and meds privately till he reaches his turn on the NHS waiting list. But the meds really do wonders for him - life took a real turn for the better when he started on them. It was like night and day for him.
When it came to learning to drive he’d panic too, I decided he’d be better learning in an EV. So much easier for him, less to think about, no panic stalling, more in control, he hasn’t passed yet but he’s making excellent progress.
It’s really tough haviing an adult child with these kinds of difficulties, having them live at home is hard - ds said he felt more like an adult when he lived away at Uni but I think he’d struggle with living alone and he’s hard to live with. He struggles to make friends too.

PanicPanicc · 19/02/2025 20:50

@brownbear201 yeah, unfortunately it’s years of waiting now. My DP was assessed as a child but apparently you need to be reassessed once you hit adulthood - he’s also hoping PIP will help him cope a bit better with adulthood demands.

I personally think your DS moving back in with you would be terrible for everyone else’s mental health (which is something to consider too as you all also have needs), but you can always try to make sure he has somewhere to turn to should he want to.

At some point unfortunately there’s only so much others can do. He might be unhappy but if he also shuts down every chance of interacting, you can’t perform miracles.

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