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Adult brother at home - spoilt or MH issues?

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Dearly89 · 23/07/2023 14:03

Hi all, I have a 28 year old older brother who I am very concerned about. My mum is at her wits end, constantly worrying about him and my dad is putting his head in the sand. He still lives at home, I have recently moved back home I because I am studying and I had no idea how bad everything was. He has been diagnosed as ADHD and is on the highest dose, he is also on antidepressants, goes to therapy and meets with a psychiatrist regularly. He has been ruled out as schizophrenic and autistic. My parents do as much as they can to help his mental health but it doesn’t seem to get better and his behaviour as a result is having a huge effect on my parents’ wellbeing.

Summary because this is long but you can read details below:
1. Can’t look after himself and lives in hoarder-style squalor
2. Doesn’t do his own washing or buy food
3. Racks up debt then relies on parents to pay it off
4. Treats our mum very badly
5. Lovebombs and treats girls badly and doesn’t understand why it’s wrong then gets depressed when they break up with him
6. Has no friends/social life
7. Bunks off work regularly and gets sacked
8. Refuses to move out or contribute
9. As a result my parents are now hiding away from him at their holiday home as much as they can

Long version with details:
My parents have helped him financially to move out before and he has also lived away from home at university before he dropped out because he couldn’t handle it. Both times he was evicted because of the state of where he was living. My dad said that both flats were knee-high in rubbish, with mouldy food everywhere and had never been cleaned. My parents are in a financial position to pay for a 1 bed flat for him near us entirely but they are worried about what will happen to him if he lives alone. He also refuses to move out, even if it’s paid for, unless it meets a very long list of specific requirements. (Ie. In east london, 5 mins walk max from tube, 20 min max tube from work, 2 bedrooms, parking, nice area etc) This would obviously be crazy expensive and my parents aren’t prepared to do it. I can’t believe he isn’t taking the opportunity for a FREE flat and would rather be at home.

He has never had any real friends. He does have a friend at work that he mentions sometimes but they don’t see eachother outside work. At school, he did have some friends but never had a social life outside of school. He has always been a big gamer and really just used being online as a social life. This means he’s now an adult with zero true friends. He constantly tells me how lonely he is and how terrible he feels about it. I have suggested the usual ways to make friends (go out, gym, clubs, bumble etc) but he never does. I also invite him out with me and my boyfriend so he can meet people but he never comes. My boyfriend and him get on really well and he also invites him on boys’ nights out but he always declines. We have similar interests so we talk a lot, have movie nights, make dinner together etc and I spend as much time with him as I can at home.

He does have a job but regularly takes time off sick or claims to my parents he is working from home when he is really just bunking off. I know this because this work friend found me through my brother’s instagram and messaged me a few days ago concerned that he hadn’t been coming in and that work were getting upset with him. He said he’d been trying to contact my brother to warn him but hadn’t heard anything back.

My mum says he does this a lot. He stays at a job for 6 months, does really well, then stops going and gets sacked or leaves. He then falls into a pit again and my parents have to push him for months to find another job.

We have a granny annexe in the garden, which my dad was meant to use as his new home office. However, my parents eventually moved him into the annexe in the hopes it’d give him some independence and he’d be happier there. (Able to bring friends round etc) There is a toilet and sink but he comes over to cook and shower. He keeps a huge padlock on the front of the door which we don’t have a key to, so nobody can get in. The other day, he had a meltdown to me and agreed to let me in to help him clean it. Instead, he went out and my mum and I spent 6 hours each cleaning it out. It was again knee-high in rubbish.

Our mum does his washing, buys his food, organises his medication, appointments etc but he absolutely hates her. He is convinced she is out to get him and does not trust her yet she spends all her time worrying and doing things for him. She begs him to give her his bedsheets or clothes to wash for him and it is like a battle every time. He shouts at her if she buys the wrong food or if she makes dinner he doesn’t like and in general just isn’t nice to her or ignores her. She has always been a stay at home mum and is now lucky she doesn’t need to work, which my brother berates her about and calls her lazy. He has very strong political views and calls my parents tories and boomers, telling them they have ruined the country. He gets on better with our dad because he just throws money at the situation and never pushes him.

Financially, he is a mess. He has racked up £30k worth of debt in total and impulsively buys technology and designer clothes that he never wears. He will rack up a £10k credit card bill, fall back on payments, then run to my dad in a meltdown who will bail him out to avoid repercussions or people coming to the house. He has been bailed out twice. He has an insane top of the line computer set up with thousands of pounds worth of gear and I even saw an unopened brand new iMac in his room. He has also gambled and once gambled his entire wages on a ‘sure thing’ and lost it all, then went to my dad who eventually gave him the money back.

Because of this, my parents have now taken control of his money and refused to pay the third credit card. His wages are sent to my dad’s account, my dad uses the wages the pay off as much as possible from my brother’s latest credit card and then sends him £500pm to spend freely. His other cards have been taken and my parents have put a lock on the postbox so he cannot order and get any more cards.

I have suggested he enter into an IVA but my parents don’t want him to suffer the long term effects.

He vapes and smokes weed a lot, I’m sure this isn’t helping him but he says it helps him to cope and nobody can get him to stop.

Hes also recently been getting into relationships very quickly and ‘lovebombing’ girls into thinking they’re the love of his life. 2 girlfriends in the past 4 months. The first one he told that he wanted to spend more time playing video games and not with her, so she broke up with him. He then continued sleeping with her whilst seeing the new girlfriend. The ex girlfriend found out he was seeing someone new while they were sleeping together and understandably told the new girl what was going on. The new girlfriend broke up with him and now he’s in a mess again and doesn’t see how he did anything wrong. He thinks it is all the ex girlfriend’s fault for getting in touch with the new one and doesn’t think how he could have hurt anyone. He is in a complete depressive state now after the breakup, smoking weed constantly, not leaving the house, not going to work, constantly eating thousands of calories of junk food, not getting dressed. I’ve asked him what he misses about the second girlfriend and he has just said he misses having someone to talk to, not her. I know he isn’t in the right state to get into these relationships and he shouldn’t be hurting these girls or pretending to love them just so he can have someone to talk to. My parents think it’s the only thing that’ll make him feel better and are encouraging him onto dating apps but I know he can’t put all the responsibility for his happiness on a girlfriend’s shoulders.

The other night, he rang my mum at 1am saying he’d missed the last train home and needs picking up at a station half an hour away. She said no and told him to get a taxi as it’s his responsibility as an adult man. He had a complete meltdown and was unable to do it so she ended up calling a taxi company herself, arranging and paying for it over the phone. I thought it was crazy how he couldn’t organise this himself but my mum seems just used to it now.

My parents have a holiday home in the UK and it is at the point now where my mum is constantly there and my dad comes back during the week to work. I’m not sure if this is to avoid him or what but I know it’s taking a huge toll on them both. They constantly text me ‘how is he today’ ‘can you try this’ etc and I really don’t know what to do.

I love my brother, he is always there for me and is a great friend but I am not sure what is wrong with him. Part of me thinks he is incredibly mentally ill. Another part thinks that he is sheltered, spoilt and has never had to work for stuff on his own because my parents are always there to bail him out. I on the other hand moved out at 18, worked full time, paid my own bills and am self sufficient. I couldn’t just miss work or make crazy purchases, because I knew I needed the money to live. I only moved home as I am now going to university after a career move and this is the only way my parents support me financially, I don’t want them to have to do more than that.

They have had an agreement with him that he would be moving out at the end of July with their financial help whether he likes it or not. However now he is in such a state, they are worried he will kill himself if he moves out and are going back on it. My mum says that he cannot do anything himself and he is not self sufficient because he is mentally ill but part of me thinks that if she stopped doing everything for him, eventually he’d have to sort himself out.

What would you do? Kick him out and risk him getting worse or keep him here and hope he gets better? I just want him and my parents to be happy and nothing seems to be working.

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Keepingthingsinteresting · 23/07/2023 15:08

I didn’t want to read and run @Dearly89 , but I don’t have any answers. It’s perhaps worth remembering that someone can have mental health challenges and still be functional, but also still be a spoilt arsehole. It sounds like your brother does have some challenges, but has also found that if he throws a tantrum then he gets his way and wouldn’t we all go with the easy, no responsibility life if we could?

In the end nothing will change unless and until your parents decide to stand up to him. The best thing you can do is disengage as you can’t change him or them and you need to protect yourself.

Dearly89 · 23/07/2023 16:28

Keepingthingsinteresting · 23/07/2023 15:08

I didn’t want to read and run @Dearly89 , but I don’t have any answers. It’s perhaps worth remembering that someone can have mental health challenges and still be functional, but also still be a spoilt arsehole. It sounds like your brother does have some challenges, but has also found that if he throws a tantrum then he gets his way and wouldn’t we all go with the easy, no responsibility life if we could?

In the end nothing will change unless and until your parents decide to stand up to him. The best thing you can do is disengage as you can’t change him or them and you need to protect yourself.

Thank you very much. Right now I don't push him as my parents see me as a lifeline for him because he doesn't open up to them. I leave it down to my parents but they are honestly just running away and complaining about the situation. It's really hard to figure out. I agree I don't think he's well but he's also been taught some bad habits. I just wish he wanted to experience life

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ChopperC110P · 23/07/2023 16:33

I’d advise your parents to call his local MHT and speak to the duty nurse about their concerns and how they cannot care for him. They can ask for a carer’s assessment in which they go through all his needs and that is when they can say they can’t be his FT carer’s and he needs to go to supported housing.

If there isn’t the medical evidence to back this up, then they’ll find out that he’s sponging off them and taking the piss- so they can have the police forcibly move him out (to the streets).

If there is the medical evidence to back up him truly not being well enough to cope and not self-sufficient, he will get supported housing and social care.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 24/07/2023 07:19

Actually the op above hit the nail on the head Bil was totally talking the piss with his parents and for years they were using the critical mental health team, eventually he was diagnosed with nothing.

He got married and moved out to then get divorced, he is living alone now. It takes a kick and then some top up care but at least they get to live their lives

usernother · 24/07/2023 07:38

Until your parents get tough with him and get him out of their house nothing will change for them. I noticed this in particular
'He had a complete meltdown and was unable to do it so she ended up calling a taxi company herself, arranging and paying for it over the phone'
What would have happened if she'd put the phone down on him? I don't believe he was unable to do it himself.
I think he's very very spoilt.

SquirrelBlue · 24/07/2023 08:25

Your parents can speak to your brother's psychiatrist and request a carer's assessment as someone else mentioned. They're entitled to this regardless of your brother's opinion. Though they also need to put boundaries in place and stick with them as noted by other posters.
Your brother would probably also meet criteria for a Section 9 assessment for his own needs - this is a social care assessment which can lead to some helpful support. Though he may decline this. If he agrees, the psychiatrist can make the referral for him to receive this assessment.
All services are massively understaffed and underfunded at the moment so don't expect quick results but it will get done.

OhBanana · 24/07/2023 08:45

This is me. I am you - I have three brothers like this to a lesser or greater extent. They live with my mum on an endless carousel, there’s always at least one at home jobless. Ime they are like this because my mum enables it. I lived with my dad as a teenager, have his values, moved out at 18 etc so understand that my life will fall apart if I don’t go to work or shirk my responsibilities as an adult (and now parent).

What are your parents afraid of if they stop enabling him?

In my mums case it’s that my brothers will die, my eldest brother did die of an overdose after being kicked out. She now can’t say no to any of the boys. Your parents are probably afraid that if they don’t keep enabling his selfish behaviour something terrible will happen but honestly my family’s case is the exception not the rule and your parents need to grow a backbone! You also need to say no when your parents ask you to help. I tried to help when I was younger but it resulted in lending money I never got back and lots of fights etc so now I’m low contact with them all, mother included because I can’t support her enabling!

Dearly89 · 26/07/2023 10:04

Hi all. We had a family meeting last night and my brother asked me to sit in to support him. My mum wasn't present but the conversation was recorded for her. He has managed to rack up £837 more debt by sneakily ordering another card for an old bank account of his and has admitted to using the overdraft to buy weed, vapes, alcohol and food. My parents recently cleared a £1,500 balance from this overdraft and he agreed not to touch it but they didn't want to close the account altogether. My parents have told him he must pay this off himself. He has now told us he has £50k in cryptocurrency to pay it off and my parents are fuming they have shelled out so much for him with this in mind. When asked for proof of the £50k he clammed up and made excuses on why he can't access it. I was shocked to find out that he is spending £40-50 a day on takeaways, weed and vapes. I struggle to bring myself to spend £20 on a takeaway once a week - if that! He even got caught putting £50 fuel in a girl's car as he filled up twice at the same time. He has said that this is our fault because we are not monitoring him enough and he wants to have financial meetings every 3 days. He's also said that he wants to be given £20 a day in cash and have no access to a bank account as this will stop him spending.
In addition, he said he buys takeaways because my mum doesn't buy him the right food. He needs a meal plan on the fridge each week and have the sell by dates written on it so he knows when to eat each item. He also wants reminding that he needs to eat this food. I got out a piece of paper and asked him to list off some of his favourite meals and things he knows how to cook, he panicked and had to take 5 minutes out to smoke. Later, he said he didn't want me to help and says my mum has to do it, but she doesn't want to because she has done enough already and he treats her so badly.
He has ADHD and when I was asking why he couldn't do this himself he said it was because he is disabled. My dad then suggested the supported housing or care from the council and he said it wasn't that bad and he just wanted us to help him instead.
The plan is now that he gets £20 a day in cash from his wages (£600pm) and the rest is used to pay off his latest credit card, not the overdraft. (£750 left over.) If he ever wants to use more then it will be taken from the balance and his daily amount will be reduced. He has said that the physical action of handing over cash will help him notice what he is spending.
He has also said he will sort the overdraft with the cryptocurrency but I think this was a deflection and he will just make excuses. There was no talk of him moving out.

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OhBanana · 26/07/2023 12:04

Bloody hell, stay out of it as much as you can OP. He will drag you down with his malicious incompetence. I have adhd and debt, it’s hard but he also has to learn strategies to help. Drawing out cash is a good tactic but he needs external help with impulsive control. I still have issues with it but I’m getting there because I put the work in! ADHD is a disability but it’s not an excuse for absolutely taking the piss out of your parents.

Is he medicated for his adhd?

Regarding the food, he needs to take part in this (I use the same strategy on my fridge, I need visuals!) - so that he can learn the method and take over doing it himself after a few weeks. He has learned that if he feigns incompetence for long enough your parents will rescue him. If your parents ever stop, you’re next in line to bail him out. My brothers don’t even bother asking me anymore since I stopped agreeing to help take on all of their adult responsibilities

It sounds like your family don’t struggle financially- is residential therapy for his mental health issues an option? Possibly somewhere he can learn some life skills too?

Dearly89 · 26/07/2023 20:58

OhBanana · 26/07/2023 12:04

Bloody hell, stay out of it as much as you can OP. He will drag you down with his malicious incompetence. I have adhd and debt, it’s hard but he also has to learn strategies to help. Drawing out cash is a good tactic but he needs external help with impulsive control. I still have issues with it but I’m getting there because I put the work in! ADHD is a disability but it’s not an excuse for absolutely taking the piss out of your parents.

Is he medicated for his adhd?

Regarding the food, he needs to take part in this (I use the same strategy on my fridge, I need visuals!) - so that he can learn the method and take over doing it himself after a few weeks. He has learned that if he feigns incompetence for long enough your parents will rescue him. If your parents ever stop, you’re next in line to bail him out. My brothers don’t even bother asking me anymore since I stopped agreeing to help take on all of their adult responsibilities

It sounds like your family don’t struggle financially- is residential therapy for his mental health issues an option? Possibly somewhere he can learn some life skills too?

Hiya! It is crazy right. My mum and I are also diagnosed with ADHD (great genetics lol) I take 30mg, she takes 50mg and my brother takes 70mg of Elvanse. I am not sure if his ADHD is worse than mine, he is 6ft5 and 200lbs so this might be why he needs a higher dose? Not sure if that affects it. My mum has definitely found life much harder to manage than I have, but she is still nowhere near the level of my brother. He also takes sertraline anti-depressants. We find it hard to relate to him because we have the same condition yet are capable adults so I feel he is exacerbating it to use as an excuse?
What is residential therapy? My mum says she has tried a lot with the council before and to get any help he has to agree for an assessment, which he won't do. He claims he is not bad enough to need support from the council but also wants us to monitor everything he does, as if it's our responsibility to baby a 28 year old man.

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OhBanana · 27/07/2023 05:55

https://www.priorygroup.com/priory-treatment-programmes/residential-inpatient-treatment

Respidental treatment for his mental health would be something like this. Voluntary inpatient treatment at a private mental health facility where he can receive intensive treatment for his depression and anxiety. It could also offer you all a break too! I suspect it’s the mental health rather than the adhd driving his inability to sort his life out. (Ie the wilful incompetence and not holding down jobs etc)

I also am shocked that he expects so much of you and your mum given you both also have adhd as if you’re going to find it easy to take on his stuff too. It’s not like he’s asking someone NT to do it all. Gosh I really am sorry, I can really relate and understand how frustrating this situation is - big handhold.

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Lilactimes · 29/07/2023 11:56

I’m so very sorry for what you and your family are going through. It’s impossible to diagnose accurately online like this.
My biggest recommendation would be private residential mental health care at the Priory or somewhere like that. It will be the best money your family has ever spent.
Not only will he have access to daily therapy, he will learn coping strategies for his ADHD, can overcome his addictions and won’t be spoilt or cosseted and his medicine can be assessed for correct dose age etc. He will have to learn some boundaries and discipline living there. You may also be able to section him. It will cost but this isn’t going away and will only get worse and will become your sole responsibilty in the future when your parents get older.

Please push for this with your parents. Call the Priory/ visit them. Wish you so much luck.

tootallfortheshelf · 29/07/2023 11:59

This sounds extremely difficult and I agree that he needs some sort of professional help, it's too much for your parents to cope with ☹️

Fudgeandcaramel · 29/07/2023 12:13

As others have said, please contact his MH team and I would say, his psychiatrist, who should have a good understanding of him from a diagnostic perspective but also should have done a formulation, which is a more holistic assessment of what makes him tick and what is keeping the poor functioning going, including family factors. Find out if his CMHT does family therapy which may help. Also does he have a care plan addressing the weed? And has he been assessed for behavioural addictions (gaming, gambling)? If those are present and he’s dependent on weed then they need specific attention and treatment.

Whapples · 01/08/2023 23:29

just wondering if BPD has been ruled out? It has symptoms that overlap with ADHD and autism and it’s becoming a more common diagnosis. It requires lots of combined therapies, multiple types of meds and DBT can be really helpful too. Doesn’t mean he isn’t spoilt along with it but he’s sounds like some people with BPD that I know so thought it may be worth a mention x

Radiodread · 01/08/2023 23:46

Wow. He is doing an absolute number on you all. He is clearly very clever and also quite manipulative. He is getting what he needs by ruining everyone else’s lives :(

He is clearly also quite mentally Ill. The hoarding is a giveaway, mentally healthy people do not hoard. However being mentally ill does not cause you to financially emotionally exploit your family.

I don’t have any suggestions, just wanted to send a big hug

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