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Adult Son and Wedding

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Hydrograd1 · 06/02/2020 11:17

My son who is 24 announced his wedding to his long term girlfriend in December. I was over the moon, he has been with the girl for many years and they bought a house together. (part buy/rent). When I divorced his mum in 2007 she moved away and my son and his older brother (28now) stayed. My daughter was born that year, she is 12 , has autism and homeschooled.
My son's future wife has come from a background of getting what she wants, private school, etc. In the last few years, we have had a few incidents, which has made me see my son in a different light.
The first is that when I was looking for a cheap runaround car for my partner, only for a few months. his future brother in law was selling his. car and this was mentioned, he would accept £300. We had not looked at it and were away for the weekend, then we got a message saying it was on my drive and could I sort the money out. We had not even seen it. When we got back, my partner saw the car and said it was ok for what we were paying. Apparently, when my sons' girlfriend heard this she went mad, calling us ungrateful and that they had done us a favor as we didn't have much disposable income.

My son phoned me and said she was upset and repeated what had been said, we had not even driven the car. He was very rude and blunt and said things like she thought of me as a second dad until this. I was upset.(she also nearly caused my partner issues at work)
whatever I said to my son he was off and rude. We drove the car and it was a deathtrap, steering locked as it drove, loose seats, battery, and brakes shot. I explained this to him and got such rude answers bordering on arrogance. I got the 'we did you a favour'
It smoothed eventually but felt is eggshell treading.

So, the wedding. When they announced it I was pleased, we said that we would help, etc and what were they doing for bridesmaids, testing the water for his sister. They hadn't sorted that yet.
We offered to pay for the photographer. The next thing I knew was they had picked a wedding venue with her parents, who had said they would help.
I was a little put out as I would have liked to see the place.
I met my future DIL with my 12-year-old, as we were shopping she was asking me about things to get her for the bridesmaid announcement.
When I asked my son he said she was not a bridesmaid, but a flower girl, because of her autism it would be better for her, which meant no dress fittings as promised. He also said he would get her wedding dress after all the others as she might slim down before then.
I got a phone call saying they had booked the photographer and paid the deposit, when could I put that deposit back as they had used the little savings for something else. I explained I was unable to straight away, but I would as promised. I ask what the cost was and who the photographer was, I got the not sure answer. I asked again and it was met with annoyance. But when could I put the money in???

My partner sold her house, made some money, which she has put away for a deposit on our forever home once my eldest has bought his own place in a few years. But it's hers...not mine

I was a bit annoyed. But the best part was a meal at the weekend, when I asked him to call his sister as she was feeling left out (With autism things get to her) he snapped he would and his girlfriend snapped, 'FFS we have only been engaged a month we have not sorted anything yet'. I was shocked because just before this they were talking about booking somewhere where her family could stay with them before and after the wedding. Also, the venue was booked, wedding dress fitting, registrar, photographer other bits sorted.
Apparently we were making our own way home.
We said our goodbyes, but my partner sensed that she had said something to my son. I called him and I got the cold and rude tone I had with the car business. I tried to talk to him and said I was not happy with how he spoke to me, he admitted to calling when he was snappy. When I said how upset I was he said 'I am sorry you feel that way, can we get on with our evening'.

I tried to deal with things on a Sunday and was greeted with rudeness and was told they would. discuss the wedding with us on the following Sunday. I was upset and tried to call and got cut off, kept getting the same message saying I was winding myself up and they would talk on Sunday. Even his girlfriend messaged to say that we can sit like adults then.
My partner is livid as she has noticed how he speaks to me and only want to know me when it is help or money. She thinks he has become stuck up and as her mum and dad pay for everything, he has the same expectations.
He has been rude about his sister many times, his brother and girlfriend and also rude to me. They are always inviting her parents to their house, and we have not been invited. The excuse is that they eat food with flavor, not bland food like I eat. At Christmas, they had them over Christmas eve and said they may not have time to pop in to see me and his sister Christmas morning.
I have tried to talk to him, but he is just so rude to me and telling me they will talk Sunday.
I feel like the child here, being told that I should behave better in what I say.
Am I wrong to feel that he has no respect for his sister's feelings or how I am treated? It seems if you say something to his girlfriend he takes on this arrogance.
To be honest, I am very angry, especially not being told things. My daughter was told she could go to the dress fitting which is now denied, but both mums and maid of honor are going. The mum that left them to move 800 miles away, despite me asking her not to because she will miss out.
I do think he has changed, not for the better. When I have suggested meeting him on his own, he refuses and says talk on Sunday.
My partner has said we should pay the photographer to a certain amount and that as they have no savings they should not be expecting other people to pay.
I feel I have to be the grateful father in fear of upsetting them and being told I can not go to the wedding. But so many people have said it is outrageous, that they know who bridesmaids are and that its obvious his sister does not fit the mold.
My other son is so chilled out, frustrated living at home, but he has the bottom floor to himself. My daughter is co-parented, she is however very well mannered.
I am a bit annoyed with people being two-faced. I know it is their wedding, but don't give your sister hope.
Anyone got any advice they could pass on please...sorry for the long post

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Knittedfairies · 06/02/2020 11:32

I think you need to take a massive step back and leave the wedding planning to the future bride and groom.

Ughmaybenot · 06/02/2020 11:39

The car thing, sounds like crossed wires, and you were a bit ungrateful to what they thought was a nice favour. Plus it was £300, it was bound to be shagged out Confused
You need to step the fuck back with the wedding. None of it is up to you, it’s not your wedding and it’s not up to you to make any decisions on it. It’s nice if you want to pay the photographer but that doesn’t give you the right to call any shots.

Whynosnowyet · 06/02/2020 11:44

I would take a step back and keep your wallet with you....
Given their attitude I would leave them to it.

QforCucumber · 06/02/2020 11:57

You need to step back and stop trying to dictate to them, it's not them getting the sisters hopes up by the sounds of it - it's you.
They probably thought they were doing you a favour with the car, knowing you don't have a lot of money.
You have offered to pay for the photographer, yet when they ask for the money back tell them you don't have it? Your partner is now saying they have a budget to stick to and shouldn't expect others to pay? You offered, they've already booked - you're changing the goalposts.
We didn't take my in laws to see our wedding venue, we booked it ourselves.
Apparently we were making our own way home I don't understand this, did you not make your own way to the meal? When we meet family at the weekend everyone makes their own way there/back?

It sounds very much like they're both a bit sick of being told how their wedding has to go, how they have to have his sister as bridesmaid even though he's already told you that's not happening and are getting frustrated that they're going around in circles when they see you hence refusing to discuss it further.

picklesdragonisawelshdragon · 06/02/2020 12:02

You've added lots of small things together and taken umbrage. Some of them aren't relevant.

The bride gets to choose her bridesmaids, and who will come to the dress fittings. It's a sensitive occasion and it's totally her choice who she wants to involve. There's no point bearing grudges over that.

Bear in mind they're under pressure from the other side too, about who to invite, what to do, etc.

Back away, don't take it personally, and don't add incidents up and turn molehills into mountains.

SonEtLumiere · 06/02/2020 12:02

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Willow2017 · 06/02/2020 12:13

Ughmaybenot
He should be grateful his family tried to offload a death trap on him?
Wow your standards are low.

Op.step back and as pp said tske your wallet with you. I wouldnt be giving anyobe eith thier atrocious attitudes any of my money. Sounds like they haven't arranged anything re photographer just want your money.

Tell them as you wasted all that money on the car you couldnt use you have nothing left to give.
I wouldnt be going to the wedding either seeing as none of you are apparently good enough for them and should be grateful for scraps from them. I would take my dd on a nice day out instead.
Your son is a nasty piece of work to treat his dad like that.

midwestfornow · 06/02/2020 12:19

It is lovely that you are enthusiastic about the wedding but you do seem rather over involved.
The bride gets to choose her own bridal party and shouldn't really have any one from the groom's side of the family pushing choices on her.
I can't really think of any mixed sex couples I know where the bloke is as involved in choosing things as the bride to be. So by extension you are less likely to be involved.
I am wondering if your dislike of the bride to be combined with a protectiveness towards your dd is leading to be being too pushy.
I would take a massive step backwards, not mention anymore about your dd's involvement in the wedding and pay for the photographer as agreed. After that I would let the happy pair crack on as they want.

Ughmaybenot · 06/02/2020 12:24

My standards are absolutely fine, thank you. If they knew the extent of the problems, it wasn’t a kind thing to do, absolutely not, but I was being generous (and unclear in my original post) in thinking that maybe they didn’t know the extent of the problems with the car and were being genuine.

HalfBiscuit · 06/02/2020 12:32

I think you need to step back on the wedding front.

It's their wedding day. It's not about you or your daughter. The bride chooses her wedding party and who comes to fittings. She's not obligated to include her partners much younger sister, as much as you'd like her to be included in everything.

I don't think they've behaved unusually. Were you expecting to be more involved?

Hydrograd1 · 06/02/2020 12:36

Ughmaybenot.
The car was an obvious danger, as soon as you drove it. The power steering stopped and the car locked. I did not mention the car, when we were told we were ungrateful, we had not even driven the car..

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Ughmaybenot · 06/02/2020 12:41

I made the wrong call there then, I apologise. That is an unpleasant move, and I don’t blame you for being annoyed on that front.
As PP have said tho, that incident is unrelated to the wedding, and should have been (might have been?) dealt with separately at the time.
Regarding the ‘issues’ with the wedding, I do think you need to take a step back, and accept that it’s up to them what they do. They have no obligation to anyone, regardless of contribution. If you want to contribute financially, that’s very kind of you, but it doesn’t change anything.

Hydrograd1 · 06/02/2020 12:45

Thank you.. A lot seem to think I am over involved.. The photographer is not a problem.. My issue is that they booked it and couldn't tell me how much,or which package.
As for the bridesmaids, it is not something I mentioned, it was the bride to be. I have simply asked them to let me know whether she is or is not. It is their wedding, but my daughter has always been told she would be a bridesmaid. I have told them it is their choice. As for guests they have said that they are not inviting any of my side of the family. I get that, but it is a bit upsetting.

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pallasathena · 06/02/2020 12:50

Your son is doing what all adult kids do at some point in their development: he's asserting himself by loosening the ties that bind in order to become his own person.
What to do?
Well, I'd back off. Stop offering opinions. Stop the critical voice and stop feeling sorry for yourself.
You seem to have this 'idea', of how everyone should be behaving and when they fail to meet your expectations, you get upset and angry.
It's their wedding.
Be the bigger person and apologise for being over invested in it all and back off.

Hydrograd1 · 06/02/2020 12:53

I have decided to step back. The issue is that the bride to be said she was preparing a surprise box for the bridesmaids including my daughter. Even asking show size. Then they said flower girl because of her needs. I said they did not have to have her at all, she is happy either way. The issue is no straight answer. Like the photographer, we just want to know which package they want... My only involvement is they have asked me to build a photobooth.. I also forgot the wedding is October 2021

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HalfBiscuit · 06/02/2020 12:57

What's the problem then?

roarfeckingroar · 06/02/2020 12:58

You need to stop pushing them to have your daughter in the wedding party. It's their choice and you seem to be getting her hopes up, not them.

Hydrograd1 · 06/02/2020 13:04

She was told she was, I have not pushed. I have only pushed for a straight answer for her. She is 12 and autistic, which means that she not process like others.

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QforCucumber · 06/02/2020 13:07

We got married last year, Re photographer - they may not have chosen a package yet. We had to pay a deposit to reserve them on the date we wanted but we didn't have an actual meeting with them and decide packages etc until much closer to the date.

If the box was a surprise, then how does your daughter know about it? unless you told her? it's ok for the bride to change her mid, especially 18 months before the wedding is due! Your son has told her she will not be a bridesmaid, I'd say that's a straight answer.

Teacaketotty · 06/02/2020 13:10

You really need to back off - I appreciate you have your daughters interests at the forefront but like it or not it isn't the bride-to-be's only concern. If you keep pushing her, then it will all blow up I'm sure - just let her plan the wedding as she likes!

I'm sure she will decide and let you all know what the plan is, its not like it's anytime soon anyway.

Also if you offered to pay the photographer then you should do so, doesn't matter who or what package they booked. It's unfair they are out of pocket planning on the assumption you would reimburse.

midwestfornow · 06/02/2020 13:11

This is a long way off.
I would simply leave it for now.
Try and explain to your dd it is a long way in the future and it is too soon to know what is happening.
Or if she can't manage that level of uncertainty just explain to the couple that she can't manage the process so would be happiest being a guest on the day.
Then you can leave bridal couple to it.

SageRosemary · 06/02/2020 13:17

Forget about the car, it's in the past, lesson learned.

In an ideal world, each person would get to organise just one Wedding, their own one. That's what DH and I did, my mother and father already got to organise their own one as did my PILs. You had your own Wedding, leave your son and DIL to be to organise their one.

Re the photographer, decide yourself what you are willing to pay, give this amount to your son and let him use it how he decides, if he needs to scale back the package he chose then so be it. If he has money left over then let it be a gift to the couple to spend how they choose.

Re your daughter, if they include her in the wedding as a flower girl, that is lovely. If the bride doesn't plan to have her as a bridesmaid, please don't force the issue, it wouldn't be fair on the bride and it wouldn't be fair on your daughter. She will get to wear a pretty dress anyway and look lovely in the photos. The bride shouldn't be under any obligation to include her in any bridesmaid-y events that may be happening in the run up to the wedding that may not be age appropriate for your daughter. And, a bride shouldn't be under pressure to be looking after a child she barely knows on the day of her wedding, with SN or not.

The Wedding is a year and a half away. Enjoy building the photo booth for them. Ask them what they envisage and do the best you can.

In the meantime, distract yourself with other things, let them enjoy planning the wedding, hopefully it will be their one and only and they will all live happily ever after.

You sound quite anxious, take a leaf from your other son's book and try to chill.

Ughmaybenot · 06/02/2020 13:28

The thing that’s jumping out at me is that you seem to want solid answers and definite choices... they’ve only been engaged a month (or so, as it says in your OP) and they have over a year and a half til the wedding. Plenty of time to plan and make decisions. Just relax, you seem very stressed about this already.

HalfBiscuit · 06/02/2020 13:38

But they are including her - as a flower girl?

BackforGood · 07/02/2020 00:31

Why did you keep on and on calling him, when he'd said to leave it for that evening, and you could all talk next Sunday ? Confused

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