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Am I enabling my 22 year old daughter?

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ffab · 09/07/2017 08:08

I pushed her to get a job; scoured the adverts, helped her to apply drove her to interviews and training sessions. She struggles financially yet for the last two months she has not filled in her time sheets so has not been paid.

I have lent her money to tide her over. I sat down with her and helped her budget, work out meal plans, took her shopping for food and helped her come up with an exercise plan as she needs to stay fit to be able to do her job.

I suggested she speak to her manager to ask for more work. He told her that she is unreliable (doesn't turn up for work if she doesn't feel like going in) and therefore he can't give her more shifts until she proves herself. He also said she needs to grow up as other younger staff turn up regularly. I suspect if they weren't desperate for staff she would have been fired by now.

She says as the other staff live at home they have life much easier and that she “shouldn't have to think about money” and she wants to move back home.

She is comes over at least twice week as well a standing invitation for Sunday lunch. We live near her work so she stays over when she has a late or early shift.

I honestly don't want her to move back in because she is lazy, rude and messy she's also prone to emotional outbursts. She has medication for her anxiety disorder but doesn't often take it. I'm on eggshells around her.

She blames me for all her problems. She acknowledges that I give her lots of practical support but says I do not give her the emotional support that she needs.

I'm exasperated with her. it seems like no matter what I do she is determined to fail and blame me for it. I've done a lot of reading and the consensus seems to be that if you constantly do things for someone that they are capable of doing for themselves you are enabling them to fail.

Should I stop providing a safety net and let her sink or swim?

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FrencheoGrammaireo · 11/07/2017 06:25

OP I agree with PP about the wording of her not wanting to let you down rather than not wanting g to do the housework. I'm not making excuses for her btw, she's not taking responsibility and needs to.

However, she's also asking you consistently for something she's not getting. This hasn't just started, it's been ongoing. And it sounds like you've been giving her everything you know how to and it's not working.

I don't think tough love is the way to go.

My suggestion is that you go to therapy together for three months before she can move back in. This will require that you pay for it, but also that you are willing to hear some painful things from her and not be defensive. She will have to commit too and learn how to identify and ask for what she actually needs and wants in life. She doesn't seem able to communicate with you properly, and that's not necessarily a reflection of any more than two different communicative styles and circumstances that meant she didn't have a second parent. It's not a criticism of you - you've done a lot for her and clearly love her deeply.

If she's artistically minded for want of a better word and you're (because you are or life has forced you to be) more pragmatic then having a neutral person who is experienced in communication and relationship dynamics help "translate" each of you to the other, teach you better ways of communicating (including proper listening without judgement) and her to take responsibility for herself more then perhaps it would help.

On the upside, she's likely to be quite empathic on some level and while she may express anger at you initially, once that's gotten through, the real problem (sadness at being abandoned by her father as one possibility) may be touched upon. And also, while some anger may be justified towards you, I'd imagine that some expressed at you may actually be just because you were the single parent, the person there.

My father abandoned me and I've a terrible relationship with my mother (entirely different problems though and I'm very responsible). The pain of knowing you're not worth staying around for, whatever the resident parent has done, is hard to get over.

Set your boundaries and give her a chance.

ffab · 11/07/2017 22:45

FrencheoGrammaireo thank you and all the other posters for your thoughts. I think you are right about her asking for something she is not getting. I also agree that I've done everything I know how to do.

I have spoken to her older sister (aged 24) about all three of us going to family therapy. I'm not sure it will work but I'm happy to try as individual therapy has been helpful for me. Older DD went through a wild child phase from 17 - 21 but she's well on the way out of it now and very responsible. Between the two of us we seem to be dd's only support network.

Having given it a lot of thought over the weekend, I am not going to have her back home though. She has moved back four times now and each time it has ended badly.

Helpful to hear about your relationship with your parents and the parallels with DD. I think the rejection from her biological father might be mixed up in it somewhere.

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IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 11/07/2017 23:08

Good luck fab. You sound a fantasitc mum, hope things work out for you all Flowers

Hotbot · 12/07/2017 08:31

She's had enough opportunities to talk it out its time to detach and let her go her own way .
Stop making excuses for her , plenty of people have had challenging childhoods but don't turn out lazy and feckless

davidbyrneswhitesuit · 12/07/2017 11:17

ffab, I'm so impressed by the way you've handled yourself on this thread. My initial response was pretty full-on, and yet you've dealt with the comments really thoughtfully and graciously.

I think it sounds as if you're thinking deeply about this - and I think you're right to keep that separation of homes, as it's probably best for both of you, as two adults. That doesn't mean you can't work to help her, and you, heal Flowers.

ffab · 13/07/2017 06:34

Just wanted to say thank you so much to everyone who has posted. I really am bowled over by the kindness of strangers.

On some sites responses can be a quite rude but so many people here have taken the time to read the whole thread, taken more time to think about the issues and given me heartfelt yet solid advice.

Some think I should allow her back home, some think not, others think she could come back with conditions. Every post has been helpful even ones that were - how shall I say - hard to hear.

I readily admit my shortcomings as a mother. I was far too inflexible when she was younger and concentrated on the practical side of providing for my children and their emotional needs were not always met.

I clawed my way back from financial destitution when I split from their father (while pregnant with dd) he has never paid a penny in maintenance.

My pregnancy with DD was awful and left me with injuries to my pelvis causing constant pain for twenty years. It was only 'discovering' yoga four years ago that has sorted it out.

Anyone who has toddlers close in age will know how exhausting it is even if you are fit and healthy.

I was on crutches in the early months and sometimes could only get up the stairs on my hands and knees, this might help to explain why I was so 'strict'. On one trip to the hospital for treatment the ambulance nearly crashed leaving me with whiplash injuries on top of everything else. I had to fight to get home help and that only lasted a couple of weeks.

I felt that if I relaxed for a second everything would fall apart. Get them up, dressed, fed, entertained and repeat, with precious little sleep in between. I honestly felt like prisoners in Guantanamo Bay were tortured less.

My family helped a lot but they couldn't be there all the time. I was housed on a sink estate where cars were regularly torched and drugs were rife.

I read to them bedtime stories but I often skipped pages, or made up short stories in which they were the heroines. If I couldn't run around with them I tried to be creative in other ways. When we went to the park I took lots of pictures and turned them into story books.

I love my DD's deeply but bringing them up was hard. I started my own business and made a success of it but I know there were times when I preferred to be at work to the stress of home.

We got off the estate, I bought a run down house and renovated it. They have had material things that I never did as a child but I do realise that that was not enough.

They both say I am much more fun now than I was when they were little. And we love having our girlie nights. When younger DD is on form we have a riot frequently laughing until we cry, not to mention dancing and singing (they are both singer / songwriters). Some of my best nights out have been going to their gigs (and beaming proudly).

So I'm going to count my blessings, explain to DD that she cannot come back home but that I will support her living independently. However this support will not stretch to doing stuff for her that she is capable of doing for herself. I will offer to pay for family therapy if all three of us agree to attend.

And as a cherry on the cake today a vacancy came up at DH's office. She has expressed interest in applying for the job. Admin., Full time, Above minimum wage, good prospects for progression. He is clear that is up to her to make the most of it.

Thank you again everyone, you've helped me so much more than you know.

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GhostInTheBackOfYourHead · 13/07/2017 06:54

I'm sorry to leave such a short post but I have to get my DS out of bed. I'll try to post more later.
From what you've described there is definitely a mental health issue here. Has anyone suggested Borderline Personality to your daughter? It sounds to me that therapies designed for BPD might be effective..... Dialectical Behaviour Therapy may be very helpful.
Sorry, gotta run..

GhostInTheBackOfYourHead · 13/07/2017 06:55

Sorry borderline personality disorder or Emotionally Unstable Disorder to give it its alternate name.

AvoidingCallenetics · 13/07/2017 06:57

Glad to read your update. I really do think you are doing the right thing.

Fwiw, I don't think you did anything wrong in how you brought up your girls. You had very difficult circumstances and you did the very best with you had - that is all anyone can do. You gave them love and security and your time. And you are continuining to be a good mum now. Flowers

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 13/07/2017 08:15

I agree with Avoiding's post and would add that many women think back and say "I didn't do X, I should have done Y". It is very common.

I know I've done it and I have also said to both of my DDs, that I wished I'd done things differently (ironically, because my mum left when I was 3, all I ever wanted was to be a mum. I hardly worked during their childhood and I think I was there too much for them. It's taken them into their mid 20s to become truly independent) We all just do our best, biased on our circumstances.

Does your DD know how hard it was, when they were little? She needs to understand that you wished things had been different.

It's brilliant news about the job she's interested in. Good luck to her!

davidbyrneswhitesuit · 13/07/2017 14:28

That's a great update - I really hope the job possibility helps her feel better about things.

And talking of regrets, I regret going off on one about "no dinner and breakfast"-gate. You didn't seem to think much of it when you posted about it, which is why I was shocked, but having read your subsequent posts I can see there's more perspective on it. I can relate to having times where you feel like you just have to drag everyone through it - you did so much for them, and you did your best at what sounds like a pretty horrendous time.

Take care, OP, and let us know how it goes....

Twillow · 14/07/2017 10:40

Great news. Ups and downs to come but be strong and positive. You sound fabulous, what a mum and what a lot to cope with. Well done for recognising your strengths and achievements!
My DD has told me she's moving to her dad's temporarily and I'm proud that she's made that decision ( which is because we're all on top of each other spacewise on a temporary basis here) though I'll miss her terribly and her me. Part of growing up and taking responsibility.

modernfemininity · 31/07/2019 17:10

I’ve read the whole thread and admire your steadiness in the face of huge emotional and practical difficulties. How are things now?

How did it go when you had the talk with your daughter, and offered to support her to remain in her own home? Did she ask to come and live with you again?

How does she afford to live independently, if she and the boyfriend didn’t stay together and her work pattern is infrequent?

Did your daughter take the job at your DH’s workplace?

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