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Really struggling with DS (4 yrs) behaviour

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peppapighastakenovermylife · 14/06/2010 21:05

DS is nearly 4 and his behaviour has got so challenging these last few weeks. I really don't know what to do with him any more.

He is a typical four year old boy - boisterous, doesnt keep still, inquisitive and pushing his boundaries. That I expect but its getting out of control. He seems absolutely intent on challenging everything we do and deliberately doing things that he knows he shouldn't. He has gone to bed in a rage / sobbing so many times lately that I don't know what the answer is any more. In the time he was home after nursery until bed (3 hours say) he must have pushed things 20 + times.

One main thing is that he will not listen. I don't mean things like not putting on his shoes or cleaning his teeth but such as not lying on top of his sister / throwing stones/ pulling the cats tail. We ask him once, tell him to stop, explain why and in the end end up shouting at him or threatening him with removing a toy / not going to the park etc. It takes until then for him to respond. We always follow through with the threat but he doesnt seem to connect the two and learn.

The other thing is deliberately doing things he knows he is not allowed to such as pouring water on the carpet, trampling food into the floor, ripping things up. He does it with a look in his eye that he knows what he is doing.

We do all the suggested things such as time out. We warn him not to do things, warn again then he gets sent to time out / has toy or whatever taken away. The problem is that he is so defiant - so if we follow through with the threat he gets really angry. He will refuse to sit on the naughty step and kick out if we go near him. Or he will deliberately break something or hit his sister in revenge. When I explained to him (for the upteenth time that day) not to let DD out of the stair gated room and encourage her upstairs and why (she is 21 months and not that stable on her own on the stairs and was half way up them) he reacted by pushing her down them - I was lucky to catch her.

Inevitably this ends up with him and DD sobbing, us angry. He calms down and is so remorseful and sorry. We explain to him what he had done wrong, why we did what we did etc. He is lovely for 10 minutes then starts again on something different.

I realise that this is to some extent normal behaviour of a 4 year old but it is the frequency that is exhausting. It is almost constant.

Friends have suggested to ignore the small things and to concentrate on the larger things. The problem is that most of these things are bigger things - he cant hit his sister, I dont want to condone things such as snatching or deliberately breaking her toys etc. He growls and tries to spit in response to us warning hom about things and I dont want to let him get away with that.

Others have suggested giving him more one to one time but he does get this and nothing has changed for him to start reacting like this.

We start out calm but end up shouting at him and it seems like most of my interactions with him at the moment are negative. He goes to nursery full time (although picked up 3.30/ 4 ish) and is his usual lovely self there - a 4 year old boy who is boisterous yes but nothing like at home. Weekends and evenings he gets plenty of exercise, fresh air, his favourite activities. He adores his sister when not hitting her. He gets loads of cuddles, stories etc in between these episodes. He sleeps really well (thank god!) so is not over tired.

Any ideas? Just one of those stages? I am going slightly mad and just want to enjoy being with him some of the time rather than feeling like I am constantly telling him off. We don't seem to be getting anywhere.

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ilovespinach · 14/06/2010 21:15

I also have a challenging 4 year old...

I have found that we have one or 2 weeks of really really bad behaviour followed by a couple of good behaviour....

How about a star chart/reward system so that you can really play up anything postive. We will try this shortlý with DS1 ...

Friends have told me that it can help...

Other then that I think it's just consistency so it sounds as if you arem doing the right things.

peppapighastakenovermylife · 14/06/2010 21:20

Thank you - it helps to know I am not alone .

We have tried the star chart, presents (small ones!), promised trips out etc - they dont seem to work either as he doesnt seem to be able to connect his actions with getting them but then seems genuinely distraught and confused when he doesnt.

For example, I bought him a cheap tesco t shirt earlier (£2) and hung it up on the door - explained that if you are a good boy, listen to mummy and dont annoy your sister etc he could wear it tomorrow. He was excited and understood. Think it was approximately 8 minutes before he was doing something that he knew he shouldnt be.

Sigh. If he has been like this for weeks does that mean I get a few weeks of lovely behaviour

Meanwhile DD is playing angel child and being absolutely adorable - its like she knows how to play the game already

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ilovespinach · 14/06/2010 21:24

FWIW DS2 also plays the game very well ;)

Hope things get better soon

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Aliarse · 14/06/2010 21:32

you are not alone, my 4 year old DS is almost a carbon copy of yours

I also am doing everything you mention...consequences for unacceptable behaviour, more time alone with me doing things, immovable boundaries

I am worn out and hoping its a phase

peppapighastakenovermylife · 14/06/2010 21:39

Again thank you Aliarse - I was starting to think it was something I was doing really wrong. I am just hoping facing it now means a positive outcome in the long run... although the long run seems a very long way away right now!

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bacon · 14/06/2010 21:54

I think I have a carbon copy too! Exactly the same lovely, stunning, handsome one minute and child of the devil the other.

Nearly perfect in nursery, apart from not listening.

Moody, is what I find the hardest and saying the wrong thing especially when tired can fling him into oblivion!!! 4 going on 14! I agree about playing the game I think their brains are brilliant and have no reason to stop testing.

He loves his baby brother but he can be so nasty - then denys it.

We are strict parents too and I do give him a good slap which usually puts him back on par. OH isnt here much as working, always has an opinion on where I'm going wrong which drives me mad.

Such a perfect baby..now a little sod!

Aliarse · 14/06/2010 21:58

my parents came over this afternoon and apparently DS played happily and calmly on his own with some toys while my mum got on with housework (very kind of her!)

I came home, that minute DS started carrying on like you would not believe, DS2 woke up and added to the mayhem, my mum left saying that his behaviour was all for my benefit (which I've known for some time now)

he has always had a tantrum leaving nursery (he's on half days) and todays lasted the whole half hour walk home because he didn't have an omnitrix watch

he has stopped sleeping in his own bed the past two nights because of nightmares but which are more about controlling who gets next to me

I told my mum I coped because it barely registers anymore

keep battling through with what you are doing...I have borrowed every parenting book out of the library and I dont think I'm going against the grain so to speak

HouseofCrazy · 14/06/2010 22:01

Adding my voice to the chorus!! Am desperatly searching for answers!!

pinkfongg · 10/11/2023 08:57

Hi all, I found this thread on Google after desperately searching for some advice - please tell me your 4 year old DSs turned into lovely compliant young lads?

I am having an awful time with mine, he's so difficult and I'm really not enjoying parenting him which makes me cry in a daily basis at the mo.

pinkfongg · 10/11/2023 19:00

Very hopeful bump :-)

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