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Arguing and sniping all the time with DH over parenting

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halia · 06/06/2010 14:27

How do you get over parenting differences?

DH and me seem to see eye to eye on the big things but I feel I am constantly sniping at him over the little things and I don't know how to stop. I know that I need to find a better way/ learn to put up and shut up but it riles me that he doesn't listen to me at all sometimes.

Which of these things would drive you up the wall;
(in context we have a very strong willed 5yr old DS who is very creative and active but also fairly manipulative and bossy!)

DH constantly uses sarcasm and irony with DS, and then DS gets upset or angry......
e.g. "why didn't you answer me daddy?..... because my tongue had swelled up and I couldn't talk" cue very confused little boy trying to see why daddy's tongue was poorly

this also means DH will say things sarcastically like "oh girls can't mend bikes" in front of DS, I know (I hope) that DH is being sarcastic and expressing the opposite of what he really thinks but it a) upsets me even to hear it as a joke and b) DS takes it completely at face value

He over dramatises, so if I try and talk to him about the sarcasm he will say something like "oh no I can't do anything right, you always have a go at me, every day"

he will argue about things in front of DS, now I slip sometimes but I try and say things like "lets talk about it later, or wait til DS is out of earshot but Dh will just keep on"

He lacks consistency so I've been trying to get DS to wash his hands before meals and after the loo, DS is very good at this now and today he told daddy off because he hadn't washed his hands after the loo, DH response was I'll wash them downstairs alter on... I did try and point out that the reason DS was now angry and splashing water around upstairs was because daddy had broken the rules... DH just said I was being silly and when I said it was because Ds had been taught at school about germs DH said that was nonsense, which then upset DS even more and DS started crying and saying MissH (teacher) HAD said that germs were bad.......

cue Dh getting silly and sarcastic about how germs are "bad... evil..." and singing "you know it I'm bad"

And the biggest annoyance is that DH won't respond to me or DS alot of the time. If you call his name he won't answer, he says he can't respond to just 'tom' (name change) he has to know what you want. I feel that I can't talk to someone about something unless I am sure they are listening so I say his name to alert him that it is him I want to talk to.

he will let DS say Daddy about 3-5 times before he responds and sometimes DS will tell him something and he doesn't respond at all.
yesterday DS spotted a nail sticking up on the stairs and very sweetly told me to be careful and that he had put a red circle round it so we didn't hurt our feet (stairs waiting to be carpeted) he then went to tell Daddy, and his dad just ignored him.

He ignores me when choosing what to do as well, if he is at home he will frequently just disappear upstairs... its not that I mind him going off for a quiet read on his bed but I do expect my co-parent and partner to say SOEMTHING first, "just going to finish my book in peace and quiet" is fine. But TELL me where you are going otherwise I turn around and realise I haven't seen him for an hour.
He does this when taking DS out too, last bank holiday I had a headache so asked DH if he could take DS out for a short walk while I lay down for an hour, and then we could all do something together. I'd also said I didn't want the day to just fritter away I wanted us to have an afternoon out or something.
I got up after an hour *having set my alarm, to find an empty house still. 21/2 hrs after I had gone for a lie down they reappeared. by which point Ds was tired, plus it was too late for most things we could have done.

He always used to accuses me of being emotional and sulking but tbh I feel that he does this more than I do nowadays, I work with teenagers and I often feel like I am coming home to another teenager in DH.

Am I being silly and working myself up over little things? If so how do i change the way I feel about these behaviuors?

Or is this something DH could try and change?

what would other Mumsnetters do?

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kalo12 · 06/06/2010 14:37

well for the sarcasm I think that it is confusing for children. its definately the number one mistake of teachers that they tell you about all the time in teacher training.

as for the rest , he sounds annoying. my dh is too so sympathise. do you tell your dh how you feel. i tell mine in no uncertain terms. i'm always in the right in my house!

bruffin · 06/06/2010 14:47

Have you heard of gatekeeper parenting

it sounds like the sort of relationship you have with your DH

cory · 06/06/2010 15:11

Which of these? Hmmm, puts thinking cap on.

"DH constantly uses sarcasm and irony with DS, and then DS gets upset or angry......
e.g. "why didn't you answer me daddy?..... because my tongue had swelled up and I couldn't talk" cue very confused little boy trying to see why daddy's tongue was poorly"

Wellm 5 is still a bit young for this and he shouldn't. Or if he wants to be able to use irony, he needs to teach his ds first, with plenty of joke signals. Given the right body language cues, most 5yos can understand when an adult is joking. But if he doesn't want to do the work, he should stay off the irony. So, I'd say you are right.

"this also means DH will say things sarcastically like "oh girls can't mend bikes" in front of DS, I know (I hope) that DH is being sarcastic and expressing the opposite of what he really thinks but it a) upsets me even to hear it as a joke and b) DS takes it completely at face value"

You are absolutely right- if even you as an adult can't be sure this is a joke, how can a 5yo be?

"He over dramatises, so if I try and talk to him about the sarcasm he will say something like "oh no I can't do anything right, you always have a go at me, every day""

Very annoying and childish.

"he will argue about things in front of DS, now I slip sometimes but I try and say things like "lets talk about it later, or wait til DS is out of earshot but Dh will just keep on""

Quite agree with you.

"He lacks consistency so I've been trying to get DS to wash his hands before meals and after the loo, DS is very good at this now and today he told daddy off because he hadn't washed his hands after the loo, DH response was I'll wash them downstairs alter on... I did try and point out that the reason DS was now angry and splashing water around upstairs was because daddy had broken the rules... DH just said I was being silly and when I said it was because Ds had been taught at school about germs DH said that was nonsense, which then upset DS even more and DS started crying and saying MissH (teacher) HAD said that germs were bad......."

I think it is reasonable to expect you to point out to your ds that it is not his job to parent his father. If you want your dh to behave like and adult, he should not be treated like another child, either by you or his son. Yes, dad should stick to the rules, but no excuse for ds to get mixed up in this or to behave badly if he doesn't. And some rules (though not basic hygiene rules) need not always apply to adults as much as to little boys.

"cue Dh getting silly and sarcastic about how germs are "bad... evil..." and singing "you know it I'm bad" "

yes, he is behaving like a baby- but then again, he was treated a bit like a baby too. I for one do not want to be told what to do or not to do by a 5yo.

"And the biggest annoyance is that DH won't respond to me or DS alot of the time. If you call his name he won't answer, he says he can't respond to just 'tom' (name change) he has to know what you want. I feel that I can't talk to someone about something unless I am sure they are listening so I say his name to alert him that it is him I want to talk to."

Rude and silly.

"he will let DS say Daddy about 3-5 times before he responds and sometimes DS will tell him something and he doesn't respond at all."

Aren't we all guilty of this as parents? And isn't this something that your dh and ds need to sort out on their own. I'd hate it if my dh was breathing down my neck every time I was engrossed in a book or the family budget and forgot to respond to dcs straightaway. It does seem as if you feel you have to hover between them all the time.

"yesterday DS spotted a nail sticking up on the stairs and very sweetly told me to be careful and that he had put a red circle round it so we didn't hurt our feet (stairs waiting to be carpeted) he then went to tell Daddy, and his dad just ignored him."

Yeah, well, not ideal, but are you sure you never miss something your ds tells you? I am sure I often do. It does seem as if you are extra sensitive to their relations.

"He ignores me when choosing what to do as well, if he is at home he will frequently just disappear upstairs... its not that I mind him going off for a quiet read on his bed but I do expect my co-parent and partner to say SOEMTHING first, "just going to finish my book in peace and quiet" is fine. But TELL me where you are going otherwise I turn around and realise I haven't seen him for an hour."

Didn't realise this was a sin: I often do this. Unless the house is absolutely enormous, surely you can work out where he is if you want him. You do sound quite insecure.

"He does this when taking DS out too, last bank holiday I had a headache so asked DH if he could take DS out for a short walk while I lay down for an hour, and then we could all do something together. I'd also said I didn't want the day to just fritter away I wanted us to have an afternoon out or something. I got up after an hour *having set my alarm, to find an empty house still. 21/2 hrs after I had gone for a lie down they reappeared. by which point Ds was tired, plus it was too late for most things we could have done."

I see what you mean. Now to my mind, the problem is not that he disobeyed as such, but that you don't seem to be communicating with each other on an equal basis. You told him what you wanted from this day- did you ask what he wanted? It does sound a lot as if you are making the rules. This may not be entirely your fault- maybe he is a crap communicator and you would never get anywhere if you didn't make the rules, but it does sound like an area for concern. Hard to know how to change it though, he sounds very defensive.

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halia · 06/06/2010 15:47

thanks cory, I think i am maybe oversensitive to the relationship between DH and DS and yep i do make the rules but you are spot on in that DH won't think about or talk about those things at all.

I don't see Dh going out for longer as disobeying I just felt it was thoughtless and annoying.

You are right about treating Dh like a kid, I try not to. I guess I got annoyed over the handwashing thing because I felt DH could have handled DS comment about "you need to wash your hands daddy" a bit better rather than walking off down the stiars shouting "I'll do it downstairs, stop fussing" like a bloody sulky teeenager!

Thansk for your comments about the irony and sarcasm, DS has had speech and language difficulties so i really think he is still too young to understand it at all

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3littlefrogs · 06/06/2010 16:04

I think your DH is thoughtless and a bit selfish. He also sounds very immature, and I can see why you might feel as though you have a large overgrown child in the house as well as your small one.

I wonder if some help/counselling WRT communication issues would be helpful for you and dh?

I feel sorry for you, because it must be very frustrating and depressing.

Interestingly, speech and language difficulties in small children can be a symptom of relationship problems between their parents.

Goblinchild · 06/06/2010 16:10

Yes, your DH is behaving like a teenager on a bad day, but you are taking him seriously and getting upset which might not help the situation. He's making silly jokes that no one is finding fumnny.
So, and this is just my opinion..

Laugh when he says his tongue is swollen up, get your son to laugh too.

"oh girls can't mend bikes" in front of DS

Make sure you are seen fixing the bike on occasion, and don't fall into the 'We'll see if Daddy can fix it' mode.
One of my happiest memories of my DD at nursery was being told she's flipped in the home corner at 3, yelling 'No, No, ironing is for daddies'

He over dramatises, so if I try and talk to him about the sarcasm he will say something like "oh no I can't do anything right, you always have a go at me, every day"
Teenager sulk. tell him he's being petty and then go and do something else.

he will argue about things in front of DS,
Serious things? Or little stuff

Washing hands? Good practice. Yesa he should be setting an example, but you can point out that he's going to be the one with the tummy bugs.

If you call his name he won't answer.
Get a pointy stick, tap him on the shoulder, or say his name and what you want slowly and clearly so that he can do exactly what he says he needs, to know what you want.

5 year olds and other children will relentlessly say 'Mummummummum or daddaddad until they get noticed. Without feeling ignored. They sometimes grab your ears and turn your head as well.

TELL me where you are going otherwise I turn around and realise I haven't seen him for an hour.

I could understand this better if he was wandering off for a walk, but when he's out and about in your home? maybe he doesn't want to be so closely monitored. My OH would flip.

I got up after an hour *having set my alarm, to find an empty house still. 21/2 hrs after I had gone for a lie down they reappeared. by which point Ds was tired, plus it was too late for most things we could have done.

Maybe he thought he was being helpful, entertaining your son for as long as possible, and you can do the things you might have done another day when you don't have a headache.

You work with teenagers, so you know about negotiation, getting what you want to happen without direct confrontation and how work with someone else who has a completely different point of view and who is being unreasonable. So use those skills at home.

halia · 06/06/2010 22:19

I guess I hate seeing DS come to Dh with a good question and get ignored. when he is just whining I totlaly get why you would ignore him but I try and reward the positive behaviuors so if DS is talking nicely, asking a question or sharing something nice then I'd like him to be listened to.

The thing about going out - yes Dh did think he was being helpful I guess it bugged me because I had NO idea where they were, how long they were out for or what was going on. It woudl never occur to me to go out without telling DH - not a big thing I guess just the way i was raised that it was polite to just say "popping to shops" or to leave a note "gone swimming" so others knew what to expect. same in the house, if DH gets up and walks out of the living room leaving me entertianing DS and/or doing housework it annoys me because he hasn't checked that I'm Ok to continue doing this or whether I need help/ a break. Again it would never occur to me to leave DH to deal with DS/house on his won without saying "are you OK if I go and have a rest/walk/time out"

But I agree that I am not helping matters and I need to chill out about things a bit. I will try and grit my teeth and see things from his POV.

I know that I should deal with this better ubt in a way doing it all day at work just amkes me very tired and pissed off when confronted with it at home. ah well Dh is now off for the week again so I get peace - huge weight lifted from my shoulders until thursday.

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Pavlov · 06/06/2010 22:25

halla OMG you are me! and your DH is mine! Seriously he is JUST like this.

'if you do that again you will be in the Dog House'

cue very confused child. THEN...on the tv, a children's programme showing how to draw a dog kennel. DH says 'DD, what is that?' DD says 'a house for dogs' and DH says 'yes! A Dog House' so, next time he says it, she visualises it and says 'i don't want to go there!' and he finds it amusing.I get upset that she does not understand.

I too wonder how on earth to deal with this, as I pick at it too much. I worry she will take these things to heart, he thinks these things will become what she understands, little querks in our family way, like in his family way.

I shall continue to read this thread with interest.

Goblinchild · 06/06/2010 23:01

'Again it would never occur to me to leave DH to deal with DS/house on his won without saying "are you OK if I go and have a rest/walk/time out"

Try it. Your DS will survive, maybe in a different way to how you would have done it but you need to trust your partner to be a father.
Even if when you come back you discover that he's eaten beans and jelly and chips for tea, is wearing mismatched socks and has put his new pet snail in the bath.

Goblinchild · 06/06/2010 23:03

"Even if when you come back you discover that he's eaten beans and jelly and chips for tea, is wearing mismatched socks and has put his new pet snail in the bath."

Um, I mean your DS as the subject of this sentence.
Although nothing wrong with a shared experience.

cory · 06/06/2010 23:30

"but I try and reward the positive behaviuors so if DS is talking nicely, asking a question or sharing something nice then I'd like him to be listened to."

Sorry, but you're doing it again. Using the language of the person who gets to decide how your ds is treated. Would you accept it if your dh said to you "When ds does X, then I'd like him to be treated in this way" and would you accept that you then had to stick to that?

Chooster · 07/06/2010 10:50

I can't really see what halia is doing wrong... All she seems to be asking for is a bit of courtesy from her DH / DP and surely she is entitled to share her views about how she thinks they should both raise their DS. She's not ordering DH to do something it just seems she's trying to discuss it.

She thinks its a nice thing to do to be postive and reply to her DS when he speaks nicely to them and in a helpful way, basic principle of rewarding a behaviour to encourage it to continue. Should she just not say anything and let her DH confuse the situation - especially when it sounds like he's not there most of the time during the week leaving halia to be the main carer.

I'm all for letting each parent do things in a slightly different way but not if one of them is being an arse.

liahgen66 · 07/06/2010 11:01

Halia, Me and dh are like this, He is not sarcastic but does the "girls are rubbish at" thing etc.

We don't have the same issues you guys have but we have completelty opposite parenting styles and it causes no end of friction between us, I'd say it makes for 90% of our rows the way we parent and try and inflict our style on the other, doesn't help that I was a single parent for years before dh came along and we added 3 mutual dc's to the mix of my 2.

Yesterday I did a car boot with eldest ds and when I came back, dh was in mcdonalds (yes this was their sunday lunch) with the 3 littlies, dd's 2 and 3 were wearing very odd mismatched outfits and I really had to bite my tongue, if dd1 had been there she'd have been horrified. Mind you dh wasn't much better, army trousers and a dancing dad t-shirt

He is lovely though and the dc's do survive enjoy it when they spend time with him so i am getting better at letting him do it his way.

Sorry that wasn't really helpful to you was it, just trying to show that it's not all bad.

Chooster · 07/06/2010 13:09

But there is a difference between taking the kids for a McD's on a sunday in mismatched clothes and ignoring / being sarcastic to a 5yr old boy.

I just sympathise with halia as my DH can have very little patience with the DC and in my mind he is rude and abrupt to them sometimes. Thats what I care about - I couldn't give two hoots if they had biscuits for breakfast every now and then or wore clothes that looked a bit odd. I care about the behaviours they witness at home and the kind of young men they will grow into.

halia · 07/06/2010 13:11

cory, in all hoensty if DH says that he woudl liek DS to be treated/ parented/ disciplines in a certian way I will listen, discuss and agree in some cases. I Do set more of the day-day rules and rituals because I am the main carer for DS and for 4-5 days of the week I am the only parent around but its not all my rules and DH not getting an opinion.
Generally I feel that once we have started/ agreed a rule then we both share responsibility for enforcing it, I think the issue arises partly because DH is away during the week. So if something happens that needs a rule/ decision I make that decision on my own, eg deciding if DS needed to hold my hand when we started using a new route to school because of a road closure.

I need to work out a way of communicating these decisions to DH without him reacting in a bad way, and I also need to work out which are the important ones and which ones its OK for DH to do in a different way to me.

whats a good way of explaining inconsistancies to small kids?

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halia · 07/06/2010 13:13

oh and goblinchild, jelly and mismatched socks wouldn't bother me that much. Its more that looking after DS on your own is very tiring and I think its a bit rude to wander off and leave one person with all the work to do.....

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Chooster · 07/06/2010 13:44

halia - i'm totally with you on this one...

In terms of explaining onconsistencies, I also have a 5yr old boy and I just explained that people are different and have different things that they care about (including mum and dad) and that sometimes people have different rules. As an example I tell him that when he plays at friends houses he needs to follow the rules of that house regardless of if its different in our house. Same with school / after school club etc. I think its healthy for them to understand this. But at the same time i want him to follow his own common sense too...

Maybe sit with your DH at the next best opportunity and say that because you've been having a few issues with how to parent, maybe its a good idea to get a list together of things you will definately both enforce, so the things you both feel strongly enough about to carry out - i.e bits about DS's safety I would imagine would be in there, maybe holding hands when next to a busy road / not running away when you're out etc... It may not be a long list but it would be a start.

Then sit down with DS together and go through these so he knows that he needs to follow those rules with both of you... Other more minor stuff can be more fluid - i.e I dont mind the kids jumping on my bed, DH doesn't like it. This is all minor stuff that can be ignored etc...

Not quite sure what you could do about ytour issues with DH's attitude and they way he speaks with your DS... I've not cracked that one, so if you've got any ideas I love to hear them!

bronze · 07/06/2010 14:00

Goblin I tried that once after an argument. Normally he gets to take himself off and I have to go and carry on being nice to the children. this time I said I'm going for a walk and went out. I didn't realise he hadn't heard me, he didn't check and decided he was out. Luckily I saw him drive past so went back home to our three too young to be left children. I tell him carefully now if I'm going anywhere, I can't just do it the way he does.

BrownPaperandString · 08/06/2010 20:59

Yes I think it's a basic courtesy thing too.

DH will just head off, either to pop to the corner shop or elsewhere in the house without saying a word and the thing is, if you have very young children, you just can't have 2 parents that do that. It isn't safe. Usually the primary carer is the one who ends up 'handing over' to the other parent if they want to leave the room and I imagine that becomes habit for most people. Strangely if I do that (having checked he is in the same room as the DCs and interacting with them), he has been know to shout out a sarcastic comment after me about me just leaving without saying anything.

It's very hard for a primary carer to just switch off and I think the other parent is in a more relaxed state because they can be - someone else is doing all the making sure everyone's ok thing.

BrownPaperandString · 08/06/2010 21:02

Oh and if DH made a sarcastic comment that was causing confusion, I would explain that daddy was just joking to the DC. If DH was annoyed by that I would point out that he was looking confused so you're trying to teach him about sarcasm and that it doesn't mean that Daddy's tongue is poorly for example.

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