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Feel really sad about this mum and her little boy

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BertieBotts · 01/03/2010 13:26

I went to a playgroup this morning at my local children's centre with DS (16 months). I go most mornings and know the other mums who go regularly, although everyone is friendly and talks to each other there is a noticeable "split" in the group of two sets of friendship groups, if that makes sense.

This morning, about halfway through the session, someone arrived who I hadn't seen before, with a toddler (about age 2 or 3) and a newborn. The mums in the other group which I am not as friendly with all visibly started to mutter and exchange dark looks, I couldn't really hear what they were saying. The new mum came in and sat down right at the opposite side of the room away from everyone else. I was doing something with DS at the time so I didn't really go and say hello, but one of the mums I am more friendly with did go and have a chat with her.

As the session went on it became clear why the other mums had been muttering etc when she came in - her toddler was doing nothing else but snatching toys from the other children, hitting them, and running into them with toy buggies etc. The mum was sitting there with the baby (who was asleep) ignoring him, which I think was annoying the other parents who kept coming and telling him off or trying to distract him etc. I noticed the other parents distinctly shut her out and try to keep their children away from him. He ran into DS a couple of times very deliberately and hard with a doll's pushchair and I felt very protective towards him, and annoyed at the mum for not doing anything, and a few minutes later she seemed to suddenly decide she was going to do something, grabbed him roughly, told him off and repeatedly slapped his hands until they were red, then let him go - this upset me but he didn't seem bothered by it (which made it worse IMO - it didn't even work!) Everyone kind of looked away pointedly in shock and I stopped feeling annoyed at her and just felt sorry for them both - she could clearly do with some support as I got the impression that she didn't really know what to do and yet she felt she had to come down on him hard to prove a point to other people, all she probably needed was some friendly helpful suggestions and yet all everyone does is shut her out and make her feel unwelcome. She barely spoke as well and I wondered if perhaps she didn't speak English very well - she had a European accent but not sure from which country. I thought it was such a shame for her little boy as everyone thinks he's "just a naughty boy" whereas it's likely that if he has very little structure and haphazard discipline it isn't his fault - much of his behaviour was ordinary toddler behaviour which just wasn't being picked up on at the first stage.

As we were leaving the little boy was running around refusing to put his coat on and she was sort of standing there waving the coat at him. The friend of mine who had gone to chat to her when she first came (she really is lovely) kind of took over a bit and started saying "Look, I've got my coat on, can I see you put yours on? I bet you look lovely in your coat. Do I look nice in mine? Oh I do, thank you! Aren't you a lovely, good boy." etc etc for about five minutes, and eventually managed to get him to put his coat on, happily, and get into his buggy without a fuss. I think this was great and probably just the kind of support the mum needed, so I hope she comes back. I was wanting to help and offer support as well but I didn't really have any practical advice as my DS is so much younger - and I would love to be able to chat to her a bit and make her feel more welcome, but unfortunately it is difficult when her DS is being rough towards mine as I have to step in and prevent it when he is so much younger.

I really hope this doesn't come across patronising and I wondered if anyone had been in a similar situation (on either side) and could offer me any suggestions for anything I could do which might help?

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lovelymama · 01/03/2010 19:50

I think just talking to her would be a good start - not about any of the issues she may be facing obviously, as that would be odd and awkward, but just small talk about DCs. Perhaps just feeling included in a group would make her relax more then you could eventually get a sense of the problems she's having with DS or other things. When you're a parent who has lots of friends for support/access to things like mumsnet, it's easy to assume that other people have the same parenting skills, but I think without good relationships and support, parenting is bloody hard work (it's hard enough with all these things!). She might just really be struggling with ideas about how to discipline DS and just seeing how other people respond to their DCs will help.

I think it's amazing that you and your friend have been good to her and already helped her out. I'd just keep doing what you're doing and feel good that you're helping her. My NCT group adopted a 'lone American woman' in a baby group nearly 2 years ago and she's a really great friend now. She was suffering from PND at the time and always tells us how much she values our friendship and the support that we give her.

Littlefish · 01/03/2010 19:59

If the group is at the children's centre, is there a family suport worker, or early years worker there?

Perhaps you could mention to them that you are a bit worried about this lady, and ask whether they could offer her some additional support.

She certainly needs help if she is slapping her child until his hands turn red.

I think it's lovely that you are befriending her, but it sounds like she needs more support than you may be able to offer.

BertieBotts · 01/03/2010 22:35

Not sure Littlefish. All the staff at this centre (it's not a main centre but a different building which is a smaller part of one of the larger local ones, if that makes sense) seem to be social work students on placements, but I don't know. I don't even know her name so I can't mention to anyone that I was worried, unless I see the staff that were there today. I saw one of them cuddling the little boy at one point so I think they may have been concerned, but equally he could have just come up to her and ask for a cuddle! I was a bit stuck because after DS had been run over with the buggy he just wanted to feed and then fell asleep on me so I couldn't move from where I was then.

I will definitely try and find out if there is any kind of support around for her, in case she comes back again.

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