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Moshi Monsters? internet safety

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misdee · 16/08/2009 09:13

dh has let dd2 join up to this game site for kids. we have had a chat about internet safety etc.

i browsed the site last night, but couldnt find anything to worry about. is it heavily policed like that club penguin game? would i be better sending her to club penguin?

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amidaiwish · 13/04/2010 13:09

yes MagsMC - try googling or binging Moshi Monsters and see how up this thread is!

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moshiwarning · 14/04/2010 00:07

from: www.moshimonsters.com/tc

"Don't Break the Rules! 'Nuff said on this one, monster owners. If we think you have violated the Rules, these Terms, or have otherwise broken the law or behaved inappropriately, we may terminate your account. We reserve the right to monitor any and all Submissions, and reserve the right to remove or to refuse to post any Submission. However, Mind Candy does not necessarily monitor any materials posted, transmitted, or communicated to or within the Site. "

"Be Responsible. You agree to indemnify and hold harmless Mind Candy against all liability it may have in respect of and arising out of your use of Mind Candy Services and your Submissions."

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amidaiwish · 14/04/2010 11:00

outrageous.
have told DD that they have gone bankrupt. dh has blocked the site.

PlumBumMum · 14/04/2010 11:13

MaryBS I feel the same my dcs use Club Penguin and at the start of this thread I thought I might give in and let them use Moshi but I don't think so now

Club Penguin dosen't have threads,
they just chat (to my dcs that is asking someone to play games with them, nothing more) to each other,
you can't type numbers and there are many servers where children can only talk using the sentences available,
And you can click on the top of the screen to see what has been said in that room by any penguin

tabouleh · 14/04/2010 11:26

"Many parents have found that playing Moshi Monsters with their children has increased bonding"

The comment from the alleged Moshi Monster's employee says it all really.

FFS - increases bonding with your child - I have heard it all now.

My DS is 2.7 and I will not be letting him use the internet unsupervised for a long long long time.

I will set up the controls so that he has a list of websites which I and my DH have approved.

If you let your DCs on the internet unsupervised it is like allowing them access to all the books in the world/all the views in the world/all the porn in the world/all the perverts in the world.

Seriously people get a grip a stop blaming "Moshi Monsters".

DON'T ALLOW YOUR YOUNG CHILDREN TO CONTACT PEOPLE OVER THE INTERNET!

If they must play games then install a non-internet game or use a DS lite etc.

Dancergirl · 14/04/2010 16:10

OMG at this

Up to recently my children have shown little interest in the internet which I was happy with. However after a visit to her best friend's house, dd1 wanted to sign up to Moshi Monsters and I allowed her to, thinking it was all very innocent. Dd2 has joined too - they are nearly 9 and 7.

But I'm very worried now after reading some replies on here. I do use the net myself but am not v internet savvy and don't have much technological knowledge. Should I close their accounts? I can't stand over them while they're on it - I also have a 3 year old. Any advice?

PlumBumMum · 14/04/2010 16:18

dancergirl as I said before my dcs go on club penguin, they are the same age as yours, and I don't stand over them, I also have a 3 year old,
my dcs go on play the games and earn coins to buy clothes, they don't really chat as such but ask others to play a game,

and you can check the last 10/so things that have been said in any place they have been in

I was going to let them join Moshi Monsters but was not aware they had actual threads so don't I'll bother, plus they have membership for club penguin and they are happy enough

amidaiwish · 14/04/2010 18:40

my DDs are 6 and 4
they have been using the internet "unsupervised" since they were about 2, cbeebies and nickjr websites

club penguin they adore

now moshi monsters was the latest thing since tea at a friends last week (her dd is nearly 8)

there is NOTHING on cbeebies/nickjr/club penguin for parents to worry over. and i do check everything they play on. i was in the process of checking moshimonsters, hence this thread, and it isn't suitable for children to use as it isn't moderated.

sending messages to their "buddies" online is all part of the fun on clubpenguin. DDs setting are such that she can only use pre-approved phrases, no private messages. that's how it should be. i'm not going to sit and do it with her!

amidaiwish · 14/04/2010 18:42

actually tabbouleh i take offence at your post "Seriously people get a grip a stop blaming "Moshi Monsters"

I do blame them.
it is a children's game website, a total copy of club penguin, and IT IS NOT MODERATED although they give the impression it is. it's outrageous and shouldn't be allowed.

moshiwarning · 14/04/2010 21:16

tabouleh, we are now living in the 21st century, the internet is part of that.You cant seriously think that you can stop your child talking to friends online when they get older than 2.7, you do that and you'll risk alienating them from their whole peer group. No one here has suggested that their children are online unsupervised, there are plenty of other places kids can come into contact with the list of undesirables you mentioned above other than just online.
As a parent there are numerous times our children will be "unsupervised' by us 100% of the time, take school as an example, Are you suggesting that if something happened at school you would say "FFS I should have known, I can't hold them to blame, it's all my fault for letting them go there without me right there all the time." I know that may seem like an extreme example, but there are correlations there.

It is the fault of Moshi Monsters, no getting a grip needed to understand that at all!

amidaiwish · 14/04/2010 21:20

i've been thinking about this this evening, have come to the conclusion it is like the TV

certain channels, those for children, CBeebies, Nickelodeon, Disney etc... you do not have to expect to "check" the programmes, they are for children and that is that

other channels, T4, MTV etc. are not for young children and you need to check, watch the programme/show first to see if it is suitable

then after 9pm / or adult channels - you do not let your children watch. simple enough.

so no, i do not let my children have free access to the TV, nor to the internet. however i do let them have free access to those websites designed SPECIFICALLY for their age group, including moshi monsters.

misdee · 14/04/2010 21:25

am also concerned. and considering deleting my kids accounts and getting them onto club penguin instead.

some kid left a message on my dd's board saying ' F U' nice huh!

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tabouleh · 14/04/2010 23:16

I was in a bad mood this morning .

Of course it is completely crap that Moshi Monsters is so poor at moderating its content. I would be in favour of a website "rating system" regulated by Government so that this website would fail the test as it clearly can't prove that it is appropriate.

But I am sorry but I do not understand why you would allow young children to use an internet site where they can be contacted by unknown people. They simply haven't got the functioning/reasoning to deal with this at such a young age.

I do not care if my DS is "alienated from his whole peer group" - he will be brought up to be an individual!

Of course there are times when children are unsupervised - eg at school but the internet is a very very dangerous place - it has no boundries other than those you as a parent impose.

Re TV: - I do not assume that all the progs on the childrens channels are appropriate for my DS. eg at present I do not allow him to watch adverts. I will introduce these to him when he is a bit older and will discuss how they are designed to manipulate.

I do not like the Dirtgirl program - I think that the female character is a horrible beautified stereotype so he doesn't watch this.

I am sorry if my views make for uncomfortable reading for some!

For anyone for whom my post is resonating I would recommend Toxic Childhood by Sue Palmer.

Also see MN webchat with Sue Palmer here.

tabouleh · 14/04/2010 23:26

This might be useful for those of you with DCs aged 5-7.

PlumBumMum · 15/04/2010 13:35

tabouleah
I understand where you are coming from but I have sat with my children while they are playing Club Penguin and they don't actually chat, they go on to play the games, read the newspaper, earn coins so they can buy clothes and furniture and feed their pets, and then they come off again, even when their friends from school are on they don't chat to them,

That is why I feel entirely fifferent about Moshi Monsters,
it has a message board where you can leave messages for other posters, Club penguin does not
Any messages can be read by all and stay on the screen long enough to read BUT you can check above the screen to see what has been said,
it is very easy to report a penguin,

And I think that is some of the posters points that some other people might automatically assume Moshi monsters is the same thing

MagsMC · 15/04/2010 21:47

Unfortunately, outside blogs and forums is on the lower list of items I check regularly, as I do have customer service emails to attend to.

I'll try to deal with as many general concerns as possible that have been raised here, however, if anyone has an individual concern to do with your child's account or Moshi Monsters experience, you'll need to contact us directly. This can be done at [email protected].

Filtering - You're quite right that the filtering on our pinboard system is an issue. We're aware of the problem and have been working behind the scenes for quite some time. Currently, our messages are run through a simple filtering system, however with over 15 million Monster Owners, this poor little pinboard filter is way over its capacity. We're currently in the process of implementing NetModerator from Crisp (www.crispthinking.com for information), however, the process is slow going.

Vulgarity is not dangerous. It's inappropriate and annoying, yes, but does not compromise the safety of children online. Many of our moderators and managers are parents themselves, and we do understand the frustration with regard to our filtering system. This is something we discuss at least once a day, if not more often, and it's squarely on our radar.

From our CCSO at Mind Candy:
As for filtering systems, they are only as effective as the humans who build them. There is no existing filtering system to date that is 100% accurate and effective. Not because the technology isn't available, but because technology isn't human and can't predict the languages we use to get around a filter. Technology can not predict what you or I might type. It can look at what we type in context and determine how to proceed, based on human subjective rules, but it can never stop us from misbehaving. If I type on one post "you are" and on the next post "a" and the next post "w" (new post) "a" (new post) "n" new post ..you get the idea, there's no way for a filtering system to go back in time (that's the stuff of the 22nd century perhaps, when we can control metaphysical time travel). In the major kid's sites online, the whitelists are easy as pie to get around. Children simply type "look at the first letter of the next sentence to get my first name." "Jump around now end." That spells JANE. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean profanity and bad behavior isn't happening on other sites.

While at a major children's site in 2004, we predicted canned chat would result in the users creating their own language, which we would then have to filter. In fact, that's exactly what happens. Kids create coded language to get around restrictive chat. In the 16+ years I've worked for major web companies and kid's sites, I've seen quite a bit when it comes to filtering and humans avoiding filters. There is no 100% safe online or offline place, short of muzzles and/or disallowing interaction. And when we are too restrictive, we "raise children in captivity," as Dr. Tanya Byron references in the Byron Report, and we raise a child who does not know how to learn about risk and how to deal with risk.

Just as we don't plug our children's ears for the day when they're at school, or follow them around on the playground to be sure they don't hear anything offensive, we can not expect a filtering system to train or protect children or teach them how to behave. It is the responsibility of a website for children to do everything possible to keep children safe and free from bad behavior, absolutely. We do our best and are continually working towards making improvements on the Moshi site.

There's not enough room here to address the difference between a Predator and a Pedophile. Predatory behavior with children under 13 is quite low on the net. The instances of girls over 14 becoming involved with predators is more likely but studies show these girls (and sometimes boys) are not only "at risk" online, they are also "at risk" children offline. Most of our children are under 12 and have parents like you who are concerned with their children's online activities. This puts our young Moshi users in a low risk group. In addition, the fact that we have no way of private messaging to occur on Moshi (all pinboard posts and forums posts are public, and all deleted posts are available to our staff always), keeps our site at very low risk regarding potential predators or potential pedophiles.

We wouldn't claim to be 100% risk-free. No company, organisation or entity offline or online can make such a claim. But we are very sure that children who are properly taught how to use the net safely (just like crossing the street safely), are in good hands.

Forums - Moshi Monsters does not have live chat, however, we do have forums where children can discuss the game or offline interests. Our forum does have an advanced filtering software, which is tested weekly to ensure it's running to peak performance. Many Moshi Parents join into the conversations in our forums, and there is a special parents section of our forums as well. All Moshi Players, regardless of age, are subject to the same rules.

Player Safety - As explained in our CCSO's message above, the likelihood of predatory behaviour in a children's gaming site with live moderation is quite low. Predators generally target post-pubescent children on unmoderated chat sites or via instant messaging services where there is a low possibility of having their behaviour discovered. There is a far higher instance of predatory behaviour offline than online.

We have a team of 20 experienced community professionals moderating all aspects of Moshi Monsters daily. Our community team leaders have, combined, more than 30 years experience managing and moderating online communities for children and teens. While not every message passes the eyes of our moderation team (which is true for any site on the net, honestly), any message reported using our reporting tools on the pinboard or forums is read by a live moderator before any action is taken.

The single best recommendation we can make is that children only add those whom they know offline, such as family members or schoolmates. As simple as this may sound, it's something we find it necessary to reiterate time and time again.

I'd like to thank you all for such spirited feedback, and let you know that your concerns are being heard and dealt with. I've passed all of the information presented here to our Senior Management Team for further review as well.

All the best,

Mags

islandofsodor · 15/04/2010 21:54

Another vote for Club Penguin here. Dd (8) and ds (6) love it and I have no concerns about internet safety with it.

Moshi Monsters sounds an entirely different thing.

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ZacharyQuack · 16/04/2010 02:35

MagsMC - is there any way for a parent to disable the forums for their child's account.

Personally, I wouldn't want my 6yo daughter to be subjected to vulgarity while she's playing with a cartoon monster marketed at young children. I don't really care if you think it's not dangerous.

amidaiwish · 16/04/2010 09:09

well considering that moshi monsters think it is ok that my 6 year old (and 4 year old) dds are subject to messages/posts saying all sorts, because it is not in effect "dangerous" has made it a very easy to decision to block this website.

shame, dd really was getting into it.

PlumBumMum · 16/04/2010 13:57

Thanks for addressing our concerns MagsMC looks like moshi monsters will still be banned in our house then,
unfortunate for your company as Santa spent a clean fortune on Club penguin merchandise and membership for this house

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