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Cranial Osteopathy - worth it or a waste of money?

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mummymimi · 29/05/2009 17:46

My 7 month old DS has always been unsettled, colicky and windy, definately different to my other 3 children. Cranial osteopathy has been recommended to me recently.

He had a very quick delivery (38 mins from first contraction) and cord around his neck.

Has anyone used a cranial osteopath and what was your experience?

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dorisbonkers · 31/05/2009 20:35

I wasn't intending to be rude, just a bit tongue in cheek. Sorry you took offence.

But I still don't believe a bit of it. People are convinced that cold readers are actually psychic.

If it worked, trials could prove it. They can't.

dittany · 31/05/2009 20:36

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FabulousBakerGirl · 31/05/2009 20:37

That wasn't tongue in cheek.

He wasn't mind reading. He was examining my child.

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ladylush · 31/05/2009 20:45

I took ds (ventouse delivery) but no difference after one session and therapist kind of told us it wasn't worth coming back because it's not as effective for a ventouse assisted birth (as opposed to forceps). Don't know whether that is true. I would consider it again if I had another colicky baby.

I think dismissing OC due to a lack of scientific research is a mistake. For years, NICE would not endorse acupuncture yet now they do (for back pain). That's on the basis of research supporting it's efficacy but it was probably anecdotal evidence from patients that prompted NICE to commision the research. Even if no scientific evidence is found in the future there is a lot to be said for the placebo effect. Parents taking their child for treatment are likely to be less stressed and feel more in control, which in turn will rub off on the baby iyswim.

jaz2 · 31/05/2009 20:46

My DD (3mo) had quite bad colic and all the time was rather whingey (going from calm to screaming banshee in seconds). Tho maybe that's just what babies do (tho DS didn't).

I tried cranio osteopathy when she was 6 weeks old: 3 sessions a week between each. I saw a significant improvement over the 3 weeks, however doubtless some of this was because she would have started to get better as she got older.

I knew the osteopath from treating my back when pregnant with DS, and he is local and a nice family man. So I suppose I had an inherent trust that he wouldn't harm my daughter through negligence. Had I not known an osteopath before then I would have certainly done my research into finding someone well thought of.

FabulousBakerGirl · 31/05/2009 20:47

The CO picked up something that only DH and I knew. Don't know why I am even bothering to explain really. Got a fuck off situation here at home so better things to do than discuss with someone who thinks she knows better.

Thanks Dittany. How are you?

jaz2 · 31/05/2009 20:48

Forgot to say that DD was ventouse and cord round the neck, which apparently are classic things to cause discomfort in the early weeks/months.

Don't expect miracles, but I'd say worth trying it with a recommended osteopath.

trebors · 31/05/2009 20:49

my little girl stopped sleeping at 5 months - someone recommended cranial osteopathy in Dulwich and Crystal Palace, but thought she would grow out of it. 2 years later when she still screamed all night, we tried it out (now living in Huddersfield) and she slept through from then on. Wished we hadnt spent 2 years in deprivation!

becktay · 31/05/2009 20:53

I love Cranial Osteopathy, it works wonders. Any London mums should check out the Foundation for Paediatric Osteopathy. It's a charity and fee is by donation. They do children and pregnant and post natal mums. I went in pregnancy and it totally made a difference to me. link below;

www.fpo.org.uk

Will def be going for me and baby asap.
Think they have a clinic in Manchester too.

dorisbonkers · 31/05/2009 20:58

I wasn't intending to be rude, just a bit tongue in cheek. Sorry you took offence.

But I still don't believe a bit of it. People are convinced that cold readers are actually psychic.

If it worked, trials could prove it. They can't.

FabulousBakerGirl · 31/05/2009 20:59

yes, you have said that doris

dorisbonkers · 31/05/2009 20:59

Oops, pressed twice. And FabulousBakerGirl, I'm sorry I offended you. I still don't believe you.

FabulousBakerGirl · 31/05/2009 21:00

HmmShock

dorisbonkers · 31/05/2009 21:00

"better things to do than discuss with someone who thinks she knows better."

Who's being rude now?

FabulousBakerGirl · 31/05/2009 21:01

not at all

FabulousBakerGirl · 31/05/2009 21:01

you clearly do so aren't i just stating a fact?

mondaymonday · 31/05/2009 21:10

My baby was a terrible sleeper from birth - really hard to settle, woke every hour during the night, every night for months. Eventually caved in and tried the osteopathy route last month and it has had wonderful results. My lo now settles very easily, and now sleeps for up to 6 or 7 hours at night without waking. In our case, the work done was on his breathing, due to a difficult birth

Umlellala · 31/05/2009 21:23

I take my little boy to the fpo in London. I have a mixture of and about it. It was almost definitely that which sorted his torticullis (would look only one side). They are now trying to decongest him a bit and help him breathe properly (seems to be working - am quite surprised).

I guess I take some of the things they say with a pinch of salt but appreciate the value of touch and am open to believing that we don't know everything about why certain things work. And it doesn't cost a fortune there either (donation).

Mumofagun · 31/05/2009 21:28

Worth every penny and I wished I hadn't waited so long to take DS. It wasn't so much the collic, he just could never be laid ona mattress. I had to sleep holding him upright. He couldn't even be held in the crook of anyone's arm. I took DS at 7 months and the effects were immediate!! He was recommended by another mum. It was all a bit gobbledegook to me, something about when the plates in DS's head sprang back after birth it had trapped some lining??? I don't know. Worked anyway. Give it a go, it's so gentle it certainly won't hurt.

mummymimi · 31/05/2009 21:41

I am also a little about it and other alternative therapies, although I didn't realise Cranial Osteopathy was alternaitve. Hearing other mums success stories makes me want to go for it, but I am a little concerned about my little boys delicate skull being tampered with.

My DS has started sleeping well at night over the last 3 weeks (started meds for silent reflux), but in the day he is whingy, never sleeps for longer than 20 minutes. Also he wriggles and shakes his head from side to side, which the osteopath said during a telephone conversation could be due to discomfort in his neck, my GP beleives it's a habit he has developed (GP has never examined his head or neck).

dorisbonkers - Out of interest have you had any personnel experience with a cranial osteopath? Your link is interesting, I have a week until the appointment and I will use this time to research further.

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Mumofagun · 31/05/2009 21:59

I thought the same as you, but it was so, so gentle, to the extent that it looked to me a bit like a "laying on of hands". He certainly wasn't "manipulating DS's skull" sort of just holding it.

WolframAlpha · 31/05/2009 22:05

Bunnymother - whereabouts in london?

I took dd2 to marcia hugall recommended by my midwife. I was tres sceptical, but worked wonders.

dorisbonkers · 01/06/2009 10:09

It bothered me last night that I upset FabulousBakerGirl so I just wanted to come back. I'm sorry FBG, I was sarcastic and that's not on.

I don't doubt the sincerity of FBG's experience, but I do doubt it was down to cranial osteopathy's efficacy, more down to the therapeutic role and unwitting cold reading.

I also do not think I know better. In fact the opposite. I don't make any huge claims for a biologically preposterous intervention as some have on here. I'm simply saying there's no evidence it works. I don't think that's arrogant, just sensible.

Dittany. Yes, I'm aware of case studies and have read many in the course of my job. But they have to be used with extreme caution in conjuction with and are not the basis of randomised double blind trials, for obvious reasons. People are not reliable reporters of their own experience, particularly when it comes to self-limiting disorders.

Ladylush. I am also aware of the NICE acupuncture endorsement. Acupuncture, like cranial osteopathy, is biologically implausible. You are correct in that trials have proved its mild (stress mild) efficacy in pain and nausea -- two conditions where a patient's perception, and therefore the placebo effect, intertwine. Acupunture is a fairly invasive treatment and as a placebo delivery system it can be quite effective. Conventional medicine can do pretty much nothing for chronic back pain so no wonder it's gaining currency in mainstream medicine. I suspect it is a similar issue with cranial osteopathy but I doubt the baby gets much from the therapeutic role, so it could just be the parents feel more in control, like someone caring has listened to them and helped.

I am not dismissing CO out of hand. I used to be an enthusiastic user of chiropractic services and have been to a CO once. I have come to my conclusions because I became aware that there was no proper evidence (save unreliable anecdotal reports) that it works. It's biologically implausible, like many other alternative therapies. And it only treats self-limiting disorders, which again raised my doubts.

I am interested in the placebo response, which is poorly understood, and in the therapeutic relationship -- which I think is at the heart of alternative therapy.

mummymimi. I have been to a CO but also my interest stems from my work. I am a news journalist and for a long while I covered the healthcare sector.

Again, I don't like to piss on other people's bonfires and have only come on the thread because the OP wanted both sides.

dorisbonkers · 01/06/2009 10:15

Also, I don't have a fixed view on this. If randomised double-blind trials (properly conducted) produce results (better still meta analyses of many trials back this up) then I will change my opinion.

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