Parents who will not accept other parents vaccine choice.

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Having read a thread on here about a mum who was furious with other mums for not vaccinating it struck me as to why this should be.
As MMR for example is made from a immortal cell line using an made from cloned aborted fetus cells and calf bovine fetal cells many refuse MMR due to the unethical ingredients such as this.
AS long as MMR contains this filth you must accept it cannot be made compuslsory under human rights.
Parents who have done their research also know that these cell lines have become contaminated over the years.
It seems some of you insist we do not think for ourselves and must forcibly inject our children with products from abortion and other toxins in order to quench your own fears.
It is highly unethical to ask person a to take a risk from a vaccine in order to protect person b and i will have nothing to do with with such amoral opinions.

How many of you who call for us to jab our children in order to "protect" yours have even researched the ingredients and know MMR is mad from abortion.
Until vaccines are greened up and made ethical i call for all parants to make their own choices and leave others to make theirs.

Young mothers just do not have the experience and knowledge and do not remember how we all taken to measles parties in the 1960s.

I have been asking for proof that the lifelong risk including long term damage of MMR (long term side effects include skweing the immune sytstem away from THI immunity to TH2 immunity causing epedimics of auto immune disease for example) and Doctors and Scientists have been unable to prove how the vaccine is safer than the disease over a life time risk.
AS MMR cannot withsatand close scientific scrutiny the whole message has been reframed into one of bullying,emotional blackmail scaremongering and guilt which is not Science but clever corporate marketing.

Vaccination is like good sanitation systems and contraception: a hallmark of civilisation. It's due to vaccination that smallpox has been pretty much eradicated and polio and TB are much less of a threat than they were.
Yes there are some risks associated with vaccination in that some people will have adverse reactions to some vaccinations, but the risk of this is a lot smaller than the risks posed by the diseases being vaccinated against.
While I can't really claim to be in favour of enforced vaccination (too totalitarian) I reserve the right to think that people who are opposed to vaccination are fucking idiots.

so is the mmr made up of aborted fetus cells?

becuase i would have thunk that that was stictly a no no - considerin all the shitstorm about stem cell research.

and... i would like to add, that as vaccination is based on herd immunisation - then if it gets below a certain threshold becuase people are chosing not to vaccinate 'just in case' becuase of a news report - rather than family history or other evidence, then i too will judge

I was a 60's baby but was never taken to a measles party.

Dd is not vaccinated, Ds is. There are lots of reasons why Dd is not and may never be. My choice.

I have never heard of 'measles parties'. Is someone getting confused with german measles parties? When I was about 8 and got German measles I do remember a couple of other little girls being brought round to play with me as it was regarded as advisable for little girls to get German measles (rubella) over with before puberty and it is a very mild illness to experience anyway, on the whole.

(Lots of autism in family)

There was definitely a measles party following.

No custardo - the MMR is NOT "made up of" or contains aborted fetal cells.

BUT a human cell line grown in the labs did start from some cells from a fetus.

So half rifght half werong

Yes there were measles parties.
we all got measles too - taken around to cousins as soon as they had it. Ditto mumps. Threre is a photot of three of us in bed with mumps. It looks like a gathering of large hamsters

I also had a fav story where the heroine is ill and the parents are worried but the ending is happy because it was only measles.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of that view it genuinely was regarded as a very mild illness when affecting healthy children during the 60's.

Not in our house it wasn't: my great aunt had caught measles as a child and lost the sight of one eye, so my mother lways said that measles was nastier than people thought and she wouldn't have wanted me to catch it (and I never have: was vaccinnated, obviously but did get mumps, chicken pox and whooping cough as a child...).

Solid
I am not trying to argue whether it is a serious condition or not - and clearly individuals suffer serious complications. I am simply commenting on how it was regarded in and around my family and the wider community in London in the early sixties.

I while judge . OP you sound a little unstable, why the would you be annoyed with other people for having their little ones vaccinated? It's only if most people vaccinate that people who can't be vaccinated get some level of protection from herd immunity. And yes, when I was making the decision I did feel a responsiblity to the wider community not just DD, although she was obviously top priority for me.
OP - "AS MMR cannot withsatand close scientific scrutiny the whole message has been reframed into one of bullying,emotional blackmail scaremongering and guilt which is not Science but clever corporate marketing." WTF???? Do you seriously think the immunisation programe that we are lucky enough to have as a conspiracy designed to make money! I'm quite glad not to be at risk of polio, smallpox, measles, dipteria, tetanus......

Finally! Someone speaking sense. Yes, it's lucky for everyone that the majority of us trust to science rather than anecdote and hysteria.

Sorry, solidgoldbrass- all due respect to you too. Particularly agreed with the 'fucking idiots' remark.

re the Spanish thing, as far as I know the hysteria debate over MMR has been restricted to the UK. The Spanish docs have prob never heard of the MMR scare. They prob have another one to get worried over.

I was catching up on this thread and was just thinking about the 'trusting science' thing and attaching that line of thinking re the Thalidomide drug and it's consequenses lockets.

I also think that the OP seems to have opened up the can of worms after giving it a good old shake and run...