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JennyWren · 20/03/2009 20:27

DD is at preschool with a boy who is, well, hard work. He is frequently naughty, in a fairly low-level, typical boy way - he doesn't sit still when asked, doesn't appreciate his strength and so inadvertently hurts others, is very cheeky and answers back etc. This boy is pulled up for his behaviour by the staff a lot - they seem to try to be very consistent and proportional about it, and the sanction is to be taken to his keyworker, who has a word about the behaviour and he then has to sit on a chair for a bit before being allowed to rejoin the group (I have seen it in action whilst helping at preschool).

This is all fine, and I don't actually have a problem with him at all. But the sanction is very obvious to the other children, and DD knows exactly what is going on and why. Which again is a good thing - she knows that the same sanction will apply to her if she misbehaves. My concern is that he is known as the naughty boy, and DD has latched onto this.

At home DD often refers to 'Fred' (not his real name) as 'a naughty boy', and in her frequently requested made-up stories she often asks for a story about a 'naughty boy called Fred'. She won't countenance that in this story, Fred might be a good boy.

(Well done if you have got this far )
My actual concern is that I don't think she should pigeonhole him in this way - it seems that he will become more mature as he grows up but may end up behaving poorly because he is expected to by his peers. And what if she goes on to label others, and herself in other ways - I want her to be open to the idea that people can change and 'grow up' - and that is OK.

I try to counter her comments by saying that 'Fred' is still a little boy and he is learning how to be good - just like she is. But should I be doing something else?

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JennyWren · 20/03/2009 21:04

bump - any ideas?

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gagarin · 20/03/2009 21:25

She's very young for you to be worrying about all this (IMO )!

She's of the age (if she's in pre-school) where she describes people by their actions or attributes - the "scary" man, the "lady with the dog", the "loud" girl, the "naughty" boy....

It's all perfectly normal and is just part of her learning to categorise.

I very much doubt if she's got any underlying "judgy" issues going on. She's just fascinated by the freedom of the "naughty" boy to be naughty!

At the same age I used to tell my dc made up bedtime stories about a very naughty version of themselves (it was clunkingly obvious) and their eyes would light up in glee with a "what did they do then...." as I catalogued all the terrible behaviours....taking biscuits from the supermarket shelf, smacking their little brother, snatching toys at pre-school, running across the road without looking etc etc

It's just part of that age. Nothing sinister.

piscesmoon · 20/03/2009 21:43

I agree, she is very little and too young to understand your distinction. You can explain it when she is older-just continue to do what you are doing and don't worry.

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JennyWren · 20/03/2009 23:05

Thanks! I'll try not to worry too much...

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piscesmoon · 21/03/2009 09:34

She will actually follow your example in the end, it is what you do, more than what you say. The distinction is just too subtle for her at the moment.

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 21/03/2009 09:47

My dd1 is five she has 'naughty boy' and 'hairpulling boy' in her class.

I asked what people in her class called and her she said "my name of course silly"

I think I'd go with hyperactive girl, personally.

Oh 'naughty boy' is her friend btw. Though she is not too keen on 'hairpulling boy'. He nearly got her into trouble when he blabbed on her for deliberately stamping on his foot. He says that she stamped on his foot on purpose for nothing. She says that he pulled her hair and made her cry, but she didn't stand on his foot. I believe neither of them

Anyway my point is, she doesn't think 'naughty boy' is bad or less than her. It's just how she describes him.

piscesmoon · 21/03/2009 10:10

It is like 'My Naughty Little Sister' stories, if you have come across them. They are a bit dated, but children love them and also any mention of her little friend who is always referred to as 'Bad Harry'. They aren't using it in the same way and always love them!

screamingabdab · 21/03/2009 18:35

JennyWren I agree with gagarin, and sheseelsseashellsand i think it's great that you are so concerned to teach her not to judge.

I have the same issues with my DS1, who is 8, and i am trying to explain to him that children behave in naughty ways for a variety of reasons, and that it is not helpful to label people.

I think that kids are fascinated by the "naughty" ones in their class, particularly if they themselves are generally well-behaved. I sometimes thing DS is fascinated by the "glamour" of it, and also, conversly that he gets to look good in comparison.

JennyWren · 21/03/2009 20:13

Thanks everyone! I'll relax about it. I think you are right - she is fascinated, as she herself is generally well-behaved and eager to please. And she does love stories about anyone who is naughty! She is actually quite friendly with the boy in question - he can be lovely when he's not being horrid!

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