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This isn't about my own children, I just can't cope with my friend's two!!

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onthepier · 16/02/2009 13:49

Basically, my friend works part-time but struggles in the school holidays as she doesn't have any family support nearby. She asked me last year if I could help out at all with childcare, so I agreed to 1 + a half days a week in school holidays, which I've been doing for the last year.

Her dc's are 9 + 5, + on the face of it seem lovely. All pleases, thank you's + smiles. Problem is they're actually naughty, but in an underhand way.

For instance, I set the children up with paints in the Xmas hols one day, made sure they had aprons on + table was covered. I left them for only 5 mins to answer phone + my friend's 9 year old had managed to get paint on her clothes, stained my table + got some on the carpet (in a different room)! I felt under pressure to get her clothes clean + dry before her mum got here which I just managed. Her 5 year old brother had got bored in that time + managed to tip out a whole box of train track, throwing each piece across the room, under tables, everywhere!

In the summer I decided to take them all to the park. Anyway, in the few minutes I went inside to pack up drinks + snacks, the 9 year old had decided to turn our garden hose on, got completely soaked which delayed us as I had to dig out some of my dd's clothes for her + put her clothes in the drier. Did tell her off this time, but she turned on the tears making out she'd turned the hose on by accident!

Other things she's done include:-

putting my dd's pet rabbit down very suddenly + walking off, (we do allow the dc's to bring the rabbit in sometimes), so the rabbit scuttled under a very heavy piece of furniture + was a nightmare to free him, (needless to say my two dc's were in tears), but I managed.

drawing patterns all over my ds's wooden garage, (this was right at the end of the day when their mum came, we were chatting in the kitchen at the time, first time I'd let the children out of my sight all day!!)

I made it clear I wasn't happy but she turned on the tears again (in front of her mum), saying it was all my dd's idea + she wouldn't have done it if my dd hadn't started herself! (My dc's don't draw on any toys/furniture, wouldn't even think of it!)

This girl's younger brother has been better up to now, but the last few times I've realised he waits until his mum + me are chatting + puts something in his pocket, a lego toy or something! I noticed this last time + asked for it back, the second time my dd ended up chasing him up the drive because she said she saw him pocket a pad of stickers from her collection, (she was right, he had!) His mum told him off but dismissed it as (playing)!

Trouble is we've been friends for years, she gives examples of all these other mums who in her opinion let their kids (run riot!), + sees herself as being the strictest, fairest parent ever! She does come over quite strict with her two, but I just can't see why they act like they do!

My dd likes to play with this girl, but can't see that she's not as genuine as she seems. At her own house + at school both these children seem as if butter wouldn't melt, but as soon as their mum's not there they're terrible! I can see their mum looking at me quizzically when she comes to collect them + it's chaos, but it never is usually, just when her two are here!

At some point I've got to have a chat with her + just say I don't want to have her kids anymore, I do worry about our friendship but I hate this impacting on our school holidays! They're here now, my dh is in the garden with all 4 of them, (said he'd have them for an hour before I persuade them indoors to watch a video (quietly, hopefully!!)

Anybody got any ideas how I broach this with my friend? She's already asking about the easter hols but I've been very non-committal!

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RedFraggle · 16/02/2009 13:55

Could you just say that you are finding it hard to cope with the extra children? Even make out that you feel your two need more attention from you at this age...

My two are still very young so I can't speak from experience but it does sound like her older child is being naughty knowing she can get away with it...

Hopefully someone with experience will be along now!

HSMM · 16/02/2009 14:03

Agree with RedFraggle. Just say you are unable to cope with extra children at the moment. Blame yourself (or your children). Or ... if you are happy to lose a friend ... blame her children! I have a 9 year old of my own and she is very demanding hard work well behaved .

KTNoo · 18/02/2009 18:03

Quite surprised that you have to keep a constant eye on a 9 year old tbh. Some of the behaviour sounds like normal stuff but some sounds inappropriate for a child of that age, e.g. I would not expect a 9 year old to draw on toys. Your friend is asking quite a bit of you really, and you are perfectly within your rights to talk to her about the way her kids behave in your house. If you were a child minder and paid, you would tell her exactly what they were up to I presume.

And if you can't sort it out just tell her you can't help her any more. It really is as simple as that imo.

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ssd · 18/02/2009 18:14

tell your friend you can't have them, her kids sound attention seeking to me, she needs to get herself a job that gives her school hols off, eg.term time only as she has no help (and isn't willing to pay childcare)

ssd · 18/02/2009 18:16

and I'm speaking as someone with no help who had to leave a job and work term time only as I wouldn't ask a friend to have my 2 all day, too much work involved for a friend IMO

poopscoop · 18/02/2009 18:20

oh god what a nightmare, just the sort of thing i get myself embroiled in!!!

Right, be assertive, give her a ring, say you have been doing this for sometime now and that you hope that has helped her out alot, but now you are having a few changes and want to go out and about more with your own kids, visitng friends and spending time with them on their own. Say no offence but hope the last YEAR has made a difference and that she will be able to find different childcare/job by the easter hols.

MrsMattie · 18/02/2009 18:21

I don't think the kids sound particularly naughty, to be honest. But if you are struggling and unhappy with the arrangement, you should say so to your friend. No point letting things fester and spoiling a friendship over it.

purpleduck · 18/02/2009 18:24

I have some friends who are ultra strict, and I have noticed that these are the children who misbehave the most - perhaps because they perceive my house to be more relaxed..or maybe they are just kept on such a short lead that they go a bit nuts when they are away from their mum.

Also, tell them off if they need it. Even if that involves punishing them (ie - taking away an activity or whatever). Its not fair on anyone if you let them get away with behaviour that your dcs would never get away with.
I find it shocking that the 9 year old needs such close supervision.

KTNoo · 18/02/2009 18:54

Exactly, purpleduck. Even my 3 year old is getting to the stage where I can leave pens within her reach without coming back to find red walls or whatever....

A 9 year old drawing on toys?? That's not normal.

IotasCat · 18/02/2009 19:01

I agree with poopscoop. Be assertive and tell her you cant do it any more.

eyeeye · 18/02/2009 19:05

I think you should be more assertive with the children, lay down ground rules and tell them you will tell their mother in no uncertain terms when they have misbehaved.

And stop trying to act like everything is ok

The 9 year old for sure knows what she's doing and is doing it on purpose to test your boundaries. So far she's winning.

Tell the mother exactly what you're planning on doing in a realistic "Oh isn't it funny how they're testing me out, I just need to be sure you're ok with me talking to / treating them like this"

Oh and if they get filthy / wet they can stay filthy wet because otherwise you're colluding with them and protecting them from their own parents' disapproval

piscesmoon · 18/02/2009 19:17

I find that DCs of very strict parents are often hard work when they are away from them.
I agree with poopascoop, it sounds a friendly way of putting it.
If you do end up having them in the future I would lay down the rules to the children at the start and make sure that they know that in your house they stick to your rules.Don't cover up for them.

HairyMuff · 18/02/2009 19:17

I agree with eyeeye. Send them home in dirty clothes if you have to. Tell the mum what they have been up to and do not keep pretending everything is ok. The longer you do that the more they will take the piss out of your kindness.

Sounds very stressful, are there any benefits in this arrangement for you to keep going? If not, withdraw your services!

poopscoop · 18/02/2009 20:51

hairymuff pmsl at your name!

onthepier · 19/02/2009 21:21

Thanks for all your replies, my friend texted about easter yesterday! She's changed her days + asked if I'll still be able to help. Texted back + said that'll be a problem as I'm not available the days she'll be working.

Haven't heard back but we are meeting up on Saturday. If she presses again, suggests half days etc I'll just have to come clean + explain how stressful it's been for me. Even my dh is saying he doesn't want them in the house + he hardly sees them!

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