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My son is going to live with his father and I am grieving

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Claudia6251 · 10/12/2008 04:54

Hi, I would like to know if anyone has been through the same situation as me and if they can help me with any advice on how to feel better or what I can do. My son is now 11 and his father called social services vendictively on us this year. We had social in and out until they made their enquiries and rightly so, closed the case in July. They spoke to my son at school and he said he wanted to live with us but still wanted to see his father (who has contact alternate weekends and alternate wednesdays). Following this the father has taken me to court for sole custody (he has been unemployed for 20 years and claims full benefits and is fully legally aided whereas my husband and I work so we don't get legal aid. He also smokes cannabis heavily and has done for years which I believe has caused paranoia, sleeps all day and is not responsible). We split up when my son was 2 and I remarried when he was 4. I now have two other children and my husband and I are doing our very best for my son always. The father made false allegations against us and took me to court for sole custody following the social closing the case. He has not paid any maintenance since my son was born. My son had to be seen by a Cafcass court reporter today and he told the reporter that he wanted to live with his father but that he was worried about how I would feel. I don't want to stop him doing what he wants to so I made the painful decision today that he can live with his father and he moves there on Friday. My son is distraught and said that he was forced to tell the Cafcass reporter this as she was wording things in a way and on the father's side. She had spoken to the father before me and he is an amazing talker and manipulator. I am so sad because my son has never told me he wanted to live with his father and I feel that the father is not a good role model for him and is manupulating him. My son has always said that he wants to live with us but he is afraid of his father's reaction. I feel sad and am grieving. I have tried to give him the best possible chance in life and he is in a stable family home but when he goes to his father's house I feel his father manipulates him into thinking that his life will be better with him. He told him he has taken out £400 for Christmas presents for him (he has never provided anything for him before) and he has done up his room for him just recently (he never had a room for him in all these years before and my son slept in his room). We have tried so hard to make him feel a part of the family but his father does not want him to feel in a family. My son has his chores to do at home and we do have a routine for him. When he goes to his father's house his father sleeps alot so my son is free to do what he wants with no rules. His father has no girlfriend, is not re-married and has no other children, no job and lives in a council flat (which he was at risk of losing apparently at the beginning of this year). I do feel that I am up against a brick wall when I speak to the authorities about his father as I feel that because social services were involved (because the father called them) they are not listening to me. Any advice greatly appreciated at this so very difficult time.

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TinySocks · 10/12/2008 13:24

Good luck with the solicitor. Don't take no for an answer.
What happens if he goes for a few months and cannot come back?

ISawMumiKissingSantaClaus · 10/12/2008 13:26

Don't use "weasel words' like "smoking weed" etc: tell them they will be sending your child to live with a drug addict.

Good to see you posting again this afternoon - keep talking...

onepieceofbrusselssprout · 10/12/2008 13:33

Also if you truly believe he is suffering paranoia (mentioned in your first post) as a result of illicit drug usage, you need to mention that in writing as well. Give as many examples as possible, perhaps enquire if your x would agree to see a mental health professional to rule out underlying mental health problems. Certainly discuss this with your solicitor too.

I am not suggesting btw that anyone with mental health problems should not have their dcs living with them, just that this is an additional factor in this complex situation.

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SuperBunny · 10/12/2008 18:06

Anything happened today?

Thinking of you.

I do agree with Custardo - make sure he knows you want and that he can come back. I also think he will be back.

Claudia6251 · 12/12/2008 15:07

Hi and thank you all for your messages. I have had further discussions with Cafcass and I am not agreeing residence until further investigations have been taken on my part (they seem to have decided my son's future taking his father's word for it and not taking anything I said into consideration or past evidence I have (which I didn't have at the Cafcass meeting). Two days later after posting my original message I am stronger and ready to fight back again!

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Tillyscoutsmum · 12/12/2008 15:22

No experience and no real advice but good luck.... you fight as hard as you can for your baby

citronella · 12/12/2008 15:49

Good luck to you. Stay strong

needmorecoffee · 12/12/2008 15:59

Do you still have parental responisbility? Never relinquish that.
What does your son say? I found SS useless when 14 yo dd ran away from home to live with a bloke who drank and smoked weed (and his kids). They decided that a child can choose where they live

nonstopmom · 18/01/2010 15:43

Hello

I came across Claudia's post and my situation with my son and his dad is near enough the same, although the courts haven't been involved, but my son has said that he wants to live with his dad as he doesn't moan at him (ie about homework, getting up for school etc). Also, his dad has filled his head full of rubbish saying that my partner and I were having an affair before my son was even born! ( I didn't even know him until he was 3)
I haven't had any contact from my son for nearly a week and the last thing his dad said is that he wants him living with him permanently, but like Claudia's ex - he doesn't work, smokes cannabis and would rather look at the 4 walls then do something constructive with his life. He says he can't afford to have him live there so wants child benefit, and claim for him etc. He also suffers with depression - I just think his home is not a good enviroment for my son and his dad is not a good role model.
My partner says that I should let him go and live with his dad permanently otherwise my son will keep walking all over me but it's breaking my heart.
Really don't know what to do - I do everything I can for my son, but he told me that because I 'moan' at him he respects his dad and not me.

nonstopmom · 18/01/2010 19:52

Any advice would be much appreciated

FromGirders · 18/01/2010 20:00

Bumping for you, as I don't have nay experience or advice - you might get a better response if you start your own thread.
Hope someone can chat to you soon.

Lulumama · 18/01/2010 20:03

i agree you shoujld start your own thread, but the advice i would give is to get legal advice, am presuming your son is relatively young as he's still at school, therefore living with a cannabis using waster, who does not botehr about homework or getting up for school is not something the courts would look upon favourably

i think your partner is being very short sighted in saying you should give in and let your son live iwth his dad, sosunds like he wants your son out of th way as he's too hard work

even if your son walks all over you, letting him live with his dad is hardly the solution

i'd get proper legal advice ASAP

helpYOUiWILL · 18/01/2010 20:25

claudia come back and give an update

Dominique07 · 18/01/2010 20:42

I agree with ISawMumiKissingSantaClaus.
If he goes to live with his Dad its because he feels sorry for him (living all alone in a depressing dull flat) whereas you, his Mum, he will think, are ok. Kids try to look after their parents! They are totally selfless! He could be saying he wants to live at his Dads, but really he just wants to make sure his Dad is ok.
Don't give up your son. I imagine he would have a totally different life and end up a totally different person if you let him go...

nonstopmom · 19/01/2010 09:47

thanks for this -

My son is 12, nearly 13. It's been a week now and haven't seen him. What makes it hard as well is that his dad lives within walking distance from our house, so what is happening is that when I am trying to make bounderies for my son and he doesn't like it, he says he's going to live there (this being the 2nd time now), then his dad takes over and says that he wants him living there permanently because I can't control him and that if he lives there, he will.
I can't communicate with my ex anymore as we just end up arguing, when i try and talk he just brings up that I have messed up his life. We broke up over 11 years ago and blames everyone else for his problems, so you can imagine what he's saying to my son.
When it happened the first time,my son started popping in on his way to school and from school. Then he said that he'd have to start staying at home as his dad didn't have any food. This time his dad is saying he wants to do it properly and get his child benefit etc.
My partner and I also have a 10 month old baby girl. I've told him how I feel, and he thinks that if I get my son to come home and it's not his own choice, that he is just gonna keep walking all over me and he doesn't want any arguing because of the baby. Which is true but what else can I do? My son has got the attitude that he can do what he wants, if I said that he's not to go down his dads after school, he will just say that he was. I've tried taking things away from him, but then he can go to his dads and do what he wants.
I'm trying to be happy all the time for the sake of my baby, but just want my other baby to be at home too, I feel lost without him.

Jules301 · 30/03/2015 04:07

Hi my 15 year old son, decided he wanted to go and live with his dad because I was stopping him going on his Xbox for hours on end, my son quickly became for abusive and threatening towards me, saying I was a nag and would have more fun at his dad's, since splitting from my ex , he has never taken him away for weekends or holidays and has constantly let him down, his dad is not a very nice person , swears a lot and is racist which I've never agreed with, his dad is also very controlling , I've never stopped my son for seeing his dad, even tho I've always been concerned on his dad's influence and the fact he will do what ever his dad tell him too, so 5 weeks ago when my son told me he was gonna live with his dad I let him go, thinking that he would soon realise where his bread was buttered, but no this has not happened, my son came down on Mother's Day for a couple of hours, and even though we got on ok, he still wanted to go back to his dad's , ( who isn't really looking after him as he has been working away and his grandparents have been looking after him) I'm getting concerned he is been brain washed by his dad, who has agreed to pay him £25 a week to live with him, when he has been staying at his dad's he has no room of his own and has to share a bed with his dad, I've had the school ring me and tell me he is not handing in homework and his grades have gone down. Both my ex and son are now ignoring me and will not respond to me. I've asked my ex to return him home so my son can concentrate on his exams after Easter, but again been ignored.any advice please I'm really worried about my son

Aridane · 30/03/2015 06:18

Hi, Jules301 - you might be better off starting a new thread for this - you'll get more replies

TheFecklessFairy · 30/03/2015 17:44

JULES - start a new thread. This thread was started 7, yes SEVEN, years ago!

namechangeafternamechange · 31/03/2015 15:39

FFS I've done it again!!! 5 mins of my life wasted on a zombie thread Angry

susylonglegs · 08/05/2017 12:33

Claudia6251 Hi , I'm going through a similar situation to you at the moment and would be really grateful for some advice / support from someone who has been through this

RatHammock · 08/05/2017 12:37

This thread is 9 yes s old! Probably best to start another.

RatHammock · 08/05/2017 12:37

years.

scootinFun · 08/05/2017 15:21

I wonder what happened in the end - will we ever know Grin

whattheactualfudge · 08/05/2017 17:27

Just because he's on benefits does not entitle him to Legal Aid. He would have to have PROOF in the form of legal documents that YOU have subjected HIM to domestic violence or that you have abused your kids.

Gallavich · 08/05/2017 17:34

It would have done back in 2008 when this thread was posted Grin