What do I do next wrt nighttime training?

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DD is 4. She wants to be dry at night. She won't wear pull-ups.

So I thought I would give it a week, now she has half term. Previously I had been waiting until she was asleep and putting a pull-up on her. She wees on cue right then, usually soaking me. Haven't put one on her now for a week. Every single night she wees herself. She doesn't wake. The bed is wet and she complains in the morning that it's wet, but bless her, is totally confused as to why. She is adamant that she didn't do a wee! I tell her she did and that her brain hasn't learned to stop her weeing in her sleep.

I don't know where to go from here. If I put her in pull-ups again she will be gutted. But she just won't get dry! Have tried lifting her and she gets very upset and sometimes has a tantrum half alseep. Not much fun.

I have waterproof sheets on the bed so can whip them off in the night if she does wake with a wet bed. I have a potty beside the bed.

What else do I do?

If she's not waking when she's wet then she's not ready, physically. She will have to wear something unless you want a wet bed every night! Have you asked her to help choose some night time pants (essentially pull ups but marketed differently so may be more appealing?)

No I havent tried asking her to choose. She wouldn't be fooled. She's 4 and a half. Tbh, where we live, there's really only one brand that does the job. I'm not helping myself am I ?

thanks for your reply Sidge. I may have to just put them on her again when its back to school. How long should I give it with wet beds everynight? Would she perhaps 'learn' if I give it longer?

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Children start making a hormone called vasopressin, usually between the age of 2 and 4. Some children don't make enough until they are older though. Vasopressin reduces the amount of urine overnight, and until that 'kicks in' then the body will make as much wee in the night as it does in the day. Thus the bladder can't hold that much, and will empty when full especially if the child is deeply asleep.

The only other thing I think you can try is lifting her every 2-3 hours, this won't help to night train her but will avoid the wet beds until her body physiologically catches up with her.

In the meantime you don't need to restrict fluids but make sure she drinks loads in the day so she isn't thirsty at the end of the day, and avoid letting her drink a lot for the hour before bedtime. Avoid red and brown drinks (blackcurrant, berry juices/squashes, cola, tea, coffee and hot chocolate) and encourage wee, brush teeth and wee again before bedtime. This helps her to learn to totally empty the bladder.

Thanks Sidge. She goes to the loo loads before sleep. She does also like her bedtime milk and I really think I can't stop that. It would be more of a strain to her than the nappy thing. Think I am going to have to put the pullups on again. Will also explain to her that she will always wet if she drinks so much at bedtime. But , she doesn't think she is wetting herself anyway so kind of no incentive there. hmm

thanks for your help

My daughter is 4 yrs 10 mths and I have a similar problem. She has no concept of when she needs to wee at night. Even restricting her drinks in last couple of hours of day and lifting her at 10pm with a successful wee at that time does not guarantee a dry nappy in the morning. My son was dry at night from 3 so this is a bit disconcerting. Should I be concerned or just keep "doing our best" until she is finally capable.

You do read about night time pants being available up to the age of 13!

Is there anything more I can/should be doing or should I simply not make an issue of it?

We started night time training 2 nights ago.
We did this because his nappy was soaked BUT warm when he got up AND i saw him do a wee in it...just because he had it on.
We concluded that nappy was wet and warm because as soon as he woke up, he did a fresh wee. Meaning that he was holding it through the night and weeing first thing.

We talked to him about it, bought a waterproof bed cover and started.
he has been dry for 2 nights (he is 5 btw)
early days i realise and i do expect accidents, but waiting for a dry nappy in the morning just wasnt coming, so we bit the bullet....wish me luck

good luck deanychip. sadly that's not the case with dd. She wees in her sleep throughout the night.

jigger, i don't know. i think relax just yet.

i have gone back to nappies. i explained that until she was dry in the nappy she had to wear it so the bed didnt get wet. I drew a pink heart with feltip inside the nappy and told her we would see if it was still there in the morning. if it wasn't she had washed it away with wee. if it was she was dry. she thought that was a good idea and although wouldnt put it on at bedtime, when i went to check her she had put it on before falling asleep.! Bless. But, she still woke soaked. Was rather confused until I realised in the morning she had put the think on inside out thinking the heart had to go on the outside!

now i put one on her when she is asleep again.

oh well

by nappy i mean pullups

I am glad that others are in the same boat. I am relaxed if she will eventually get the hang of it.

Hi all

we decided to take DD (4.7) out of her night nappy pants last week for half-term. She has only ever had a dry nappy once at night!

We decided to wake her when we went to bed to go for a wee and on some nights we've also woken her for a wee when we've had to go to 14 mth DS, as we were up already. On one occasion she woke to go to toilet herself - but effectively she is doing 2-3 wees a night. Either in toilet or in her bed. She's determined she doesn't want to go back to nappies, but I'm getting exhausted by the broken nights!

so we've had some dry nights and some wet nights, but can't see an end in sight. As she is still weeing so much through the night.

Glad to know we're not alone though!

good luck. Don't know what to suggest for you, but at least she's sometimes waking, so must be nearly there. lots of waterproof sheets on top of each other!

i reckon my dd does at least 3 wees a night. just all in her bed! or her pullups.