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Can the approach of NEVER telling off for being naughty, and just praising the good ever work??

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FAQ · 21/09/2008 12:23

I just wondered, as I discovered this morning that the brat boy who came to DS1's party yesterday who was a complete PITA and will NEVER be invited to my house again has been brought up with this method.

He's apparently like it at home, and at family gatherings too - so much so that he wasn't invited to any of his half cousins parties this year........

Can that approach ever work???

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cali · 21/09/2008 19:54

dh's step brother's children are being brought up like this and nobody is allowed to say no to them.

Step mil once said the forbidden no word and the children promptly burst into tears. She was informed then that "no is not a word we use".

They feel that if they allow their children to do whatever they like and are not disciplined, then their children will love them more .

Luckily I have only met them a few times and they are really horrible children, rude, incredibly spoilt but thankfully emigrating very very soon.

FAQ · 21/09/2008 19:55

yes Twig it is

I couldn't help but tell my friend (the half sister of brat's mother) that one today - I have utmost trust in her that she won't betray my trust in telling her.

She turned round and said to me "do it! it's about time someone told her that his behaviour is appalling - we (the family) have all given up!"

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LaDiDaDi · 21/09/2008 20:05

I think that NEVER telling off for being naughty is a silly idea, if a child has hurt someone deliberately or intentionally caused damage to property then they need to be be told that their behaviour is not acceptable but I try very hard to ignore or simply remove dd from other situations where I don't like her behaviour. I'm very cautious about any sort of response from me to her behaviour that might encourage her to continue or be seen by her as attention.

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Blandmum · 21/09/2008 20:08

Raising a child to think that they are the centre of the universe is a bad idea because it raises kids like Davy

here is a wonderful article about himn from the TES column, Emily Shark

'A life in the year of Emily Shark
"Why did you give Davy a detention when he says he didn't do anything?"

Well, let's see now. It was raining, I was premenstrual and the moon was in Scorpio. Also, Davy refused to stop hurling himself against another child, but that's a detail.

"We can discuss this again, Mrs Hubble, but first we really do need to talk about his Sats ... ".

I wish Mr Hubble would stop chewing his hand like that. I wonder if they planned this? "We'll both go to parents' evening, but I'll do the talking. You just stare at her and look psychopathic. Now, which of us is going to read her markbook upside-down this year?

"And another thing, Miss Shark. Have you found his coat yet?"

Oh, dear. It's all in the "yet". Some parents betray their skewed image of the universe in one word. Yes, every day I drag Davy and only Davy towards his Sats. At night I look for his coat. I have not found it "yet" because it is probably squashed and rotting behind a radiator in the science block. When it is found - some time in 2012 - it will no longer look like a coat.

"It's just that it was new this term and we'd rather not buy him another one yet."

And again, "yet".

Davy is growing up at the centre of his parents' universe, but not in a good way. No wonder he explodes when I ask him to do something he doesn't want to do. He sees me as a satellite out of its orbit. His parents revolve around him, so why don't I?

Many of us go through a terrible moment when we realise that we are not at the centre of the solar system. The sun is - there's a clue in the name. But if his own parents haven't had this Copernican moment about Davy, then when will Davy have it?

This is already the third school they have put him in. They will probably keep searching for a school that has a perfect, comfortable, Davy-shaped hole at the centre of it.

What they don't realise is that one day, this swirling ball of dust and gas that is hormonal Davy is going to harden into the adult Planet Davy.

It will be a very confused planet that thinks it's the sun. It will keep expecting everything else to revolve around it, just as its parents did. Not many things will, though, except perhaps a pale moon of a girlfriend.

School is chaos. There are loud bangs and flying rocks as all these developing planets keep smashing into each other. They carry on smashing and growing until eventually they cool down into some sort of permanent shape. Meanwhile, the teachers just hope they can escape into the black hole of the summer holidays before they're all pulverised.

As for this parents' evening, all I can really hope for is that it ends not with a bang but a whimper.

More from Emily in a fortnight.'

LOL. how I wish it were exageration!

tribpot · 21/09/2008 20:14

This doesn't even sound like parenting, never mind of the positive variety! Imagine that child at work "boss how dare you suggest I could perform better? I am leaving immediately"

AbbeyA · 21/09/2008 20:22

I wish it was an exaggeration MB but sadly it is instantly recognisable!!

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qwertpoiuy · 22/09/2008 01:40

30 years ago, smacking was the norm as child punishment. Then an anti-smacking campaign started, this seemed to be frowned upon at the time. But new childcare methods like Supernanny's and 1-2-3 have seen smacking as good as abolished, and it's now seen as unacceptable to smack a child.
The above mentioned childcare methods are generally used by parents nowadays. Now a campaign appears to have started to introduce this different method of parenting, which we're all frowning upon. Will it gradually be filtered into our parenting and in 10 years time, will parents be reported for correcting their child in public no matter how gently it is done, or criticising their child????
It's just a thought I had! If it is, I dread what way the future generation will turn out.
at lou031205's post!

FAQ · 22/09/2008 01:43

god what an awful thought qwertpoiuy - just one child like that was bad enough on his own!!!!

(and thoughts like that certainly aren't going to help me sleep )

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cory · 22/09/2008 09:25

qwertpoiuy - smacking was banned 20 years ago in Sweden and it hasn't led to a sudden increase in bad behaviour, nor has it led to parents suddenly thinking they can't tell their children off. What it has led to is parents being firmer and more consistent from the start because you know you can't ignore children's bad behaviour for half an hour and then suddenly wade in smacking them.

I was reared without smacking myself and my parents had great authority. They were very loving, generous with their praise and expected me to do as I was told. I see no contradiction.

Those of you who think Supernanny's advice 'praise instead of tell off' means you must never tell off are taking it out of context. What she and others like her are trying to get at are the sort of parents (and we all know them!) whose conversation is a constant string of negative whingeing at their children, and who never enforce anything. Supernanny believes in the naughty step, not in constant indiscriminate praise.

If you think about, it constant praise would be more unsettling than the occasional telling off, because it would be so obviously false. Reminds me of the old story about the day the First Mate of the ship was drunk. Captain wrote in the log book: 'First Mate drunk today'. Next day it was the Mate's turn to keep the log, so he wrote: 'Captain sober today'.

I think a child who gets praised in this way ('thank you for not stealing out of my purse today') would end up very insecure. What you want is a healthy balance, where the child feels that there is, on balance, more to praise about them than to blame, but that both will be allocated as due.

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