Shall I just go to hospital

[pinkelephant22]

DD 3 has been unwell since last night - I also have a 16 week old DD.

Started general cough cold, yesterday her urine looked like toxic waste - bright yellow. Last night she had a fever - treated with calpol. No improvement of symptoms. She was sweating and shivering - half asleep half awake spouting out all sorts of nonsense really wasn’t well. So gave her nurofen. She started to cool and settled but could feel her clothes were wet from sweating.

Booked GP appt today, phoned as soon as soon as they opened (did call 111 last night who said to see gp today) - was seen by nurse - glad to get appt.

Listened to her chest said it sounds okay. I said aren’t you going to have a look in her ears. She said I’ll have a go. I said well she won’t like it but before if the doctor has had to check her before I have to hold her arms and head. She said well that will just stress her out I don’t want to stress her out. So she asked my child , showed pointed instrument to 3 year old and asks …. “‘child’ can I use this to just have a look in your ears” DD obviously said no.

I said shall we go and get a urine sample. Nurse says “to be honest it’s probably just viral so best just to have bed rest and plenty of water”

Fever peaked again today at 3pm - gave calpol at 3:15 - perked up a bit. 7pm she’s sweating and shivering so gave calpol at 7:15 on the dot settled her to sleep. Since she’s been asleep I’ve stayed with her in my bed - she’s sat bolt up right clapping her hands in sleep, talking, it’s as if she’s gone delirious. Then had a bout of twitching and then erratically scratching her legs. I’m going to try and wake her to try her on nurofen again.

Im also treating 16 week old after her immunisations at the same time 😱

Do I just give the nurofen and see if improvement or just pack the bags and go to A+E 😩 she’s always responded so well to calpol but it’s just not doing anything. Or is the illness just peaking and working it’s way out of her body. Both the girls need me 😱 and if I go to a+e I’ll have two very unhappy unsettled little girls who otherwise may have settled at home. I’m quite torn. I think I’m posting to literally make a Venn diagram of my brain.

Let the illness peak.

She's not in any harm right now, she's safe with you and you've got calpol and ibuprofen. A&E would be effort for no reward, unless she deteriorates. A&E don't hava a magic wand.

Keep her as hydrated as possible via lollies, squash, flat fizzy stuff, whatever she needs to get through it.

Sounds like she is delirious because of her fever once the call wears off. Sounds scary but normal to me for a viral infection. I think you'd be spending hours and hours in a&e picking up more bugs for a viral infection that will go in a few days

What's her temperature?

And is there any sign of a rash?

Sounds like your toddler has the horrible flu going around. She will most likely be fine it doesn’t sound like an a+e job to me as long as temp drops (sometimes only 0.5-1 degree) with medicine and her breathing is fine I wouldn’t.

keep 16 week old as far a way as possible. I personally wouldn’t have given baby the jabs with that flu going round your house.

I would phone 111. I think that you need professional medical advice

She's had that today from someone who saw her DD in person. Why will 111 know better? They will send to a&e pointlessly.

How high is the temperature? Is she drinking plenty of water?

Sorry to hear your daughters sick. The good news is that the bright yellow urine is probably harmless. An excess of some vitamins can cause yellow urine or dehydration can cause it too. My son was always getting high temperatures. I was told to alternate with the Calpol and neurofen. Neurofen in particular is great for getting down high temperatures. Keep her hydrated if you can. If the temperature still hasn't settled by the morning or you see it getting worse then yes, I would bring her in, or to an out of hours doctor if you can. some kids can have a fever fit which is usually harmless unless it goes on too long (over 4 mins). I would keep alternating with Calpol and neurofen and keep an eye on it and if you see it staying high or getting worse, then out of hours doctor or a&e. Your doing great ❤️

Yes I will leave a+e for now ! Thank you - I think it’s just needed reassurance from someone outside the situation! It all just came to a head all at once 😱 baby had her jabs at 9:30 yesterday, picked DD up from pre school at one she came out and looked absolutely dreadful! As it went from 0-100 in between looking after the baby! She had her flu vaccine (the nose spray) last Friday so at first thought it was just the side effects from that.

Just took her temp it’s 38.4

@NuffSaidSam 38.4 - no rash , I have kept inspecting to make sure

Ring 111 and see what they advise. If you have to take the baby out take her actual pram into the waiting area so she can sleep in it rather than a car seat and pack spare pjs milk food and water bottles ect for both and take medicine with you you could be there ages before being seen but they will most lightly send you to out of hours gp
hope they are feeling better soon x

Plenty of water and has been asking for it also

Sounds like a virus, calpol and ibroprofen alternating, as much liquid as you can get into her (give squash if refusing water) and as long as doesn’t get worse give it 3 days then call gp. If at any time shows symptoms of meningitis go straight to a&e

@TeaBiscuitsNaptimeah thank you. Yes she did seem to respond better to nurofen yesterday - she’s always responded to calpol so well but clearly it’s just a different kind of illness she’s picked up from nursery I suppose different illness different symptoms different treatments / it’s just the sleep situation frightened me

Because as a mother she's worried and her daughter is no better. She didn't get to see a doctor. It's what they're for.

It sounds scary. However a temperature on its own is generally not cause for concern and pretty standard for winter viral bugs. My doctor shrugged off a temp of nearly 40 for my toddler and said it’s more about how they are presenting - are they alert, drinking, urinating, playing even. If there are any rashes or she becomes unresponsive or anything like that then go straight away but viral bugs generally have to work their way through the system with rest and fluids.

I usually would always err on the side of caution with little ones but also I can see how a long wait in a&e with two small children might not seem appealing. You could always ring 111 for more advice.

You have to ask yourself, what would A&E do that you can't?

If its viral, antibiotics won't work.

Painkillers you already have.

A&E is less comfortable than home, full of ill people and generally not pleasant.

Ya, it's easy for them to pick up these things in nursery. Especially at this time of the year. Hopefully she will sleep now after awhile. And give you a chance for a breather too!

What time did she last have nurofen or Calpol?

My toddler was exactly like this with flu years ago and has now got flu again, confirmed by a lateral flow type test from Amazon. I do find the ibuprofen brings the temp down better than calpol. You can alternate them, for an older child it’s every 4 hours alternating between the 2. Definitely keep checking for a rash though and if the temp went over 40 or wasn’t coming down at least a bit with the meds then I’d ring 111. Or if they seem to be struggling for breath at all.

My big hulking 17 year old got struck down with the flu last month. It came on very quickly and he had a sky high temp - 40 that we managed to get down to 39 and a bit with meds. I was worried, he's never been that hot and i too wondered did he need seen, but he was lucid if shivery and fevery. His fever lasted 3 or 4 days and then broke and it took him a week or so to feel better. Even when they are all grown you still worry when they suddenly get sick and have a fever.

It’s the worry! And the out of character behaviour does give you a fright.

Today she was okayish in the morning apart from cough cold etc - had fever at 10:20 treated - at 2pm she’s fell apart - slobbing around refusing food won’t colour won’t play. DD refused to nap from birth id say 🙈 but asking to go to bed clingy etc just so out of character so held on to exactly 2:20 to treat her again still no improvement

No posters on here have said go to a&e…

…not sure of your point.