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reusable v eco disposable

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gillythekid · 23/05/2008 13:15

Just a quick question re nappies for any of you in the know. I just got a £54 voucher for reusables from the council, and as we don't have any space for drying, I was going to sign up to a nappy laundering service at around a £10 a week. I heard of a study where it's suggested that eco disposables are less harsh on the carbon footprint and found some for around £4 for 28. Is it possible to give an estimate of how many nappies a baby goes through in a week so I can make a judgement on cost? Also, has anyone tried the Swedish 'Nature babycare' range that I found? Thanks!

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BellaBear · 23/05/2008 13:19

i use a mixture of nature babycare, which I've found very reliable, and bum genius which are washables, and I love them and have just ordered more. the problem i have with the disposables is that they still end up wrapped in plastic taking up space in landfill.
and i really didn't like the idea of a laundry service as, first, they inly provide prefolds which i didn't get on with and second, because you don't get your own nappies back and they wash them all together, they wash at 90+ degrees, ie hospital standards, which didn't seem very eco to me

(one-handed typing, sorry, bfing)

BellaBear · 23/05/2008 13:20

we use 6-8 nappies a day, ds is 4 months

Indith · 23/05/2008 13:21

Lots!

With a newborn you'll be on around 10 a day. I've used the naturebabies a couple of times on holiday and found they got wet very quickly and that you could feel the damp on the outside of the nappy too.

You don't need much drying space really if you choose your nappies wisely. Terry squares or shaped microfibre nappies all dry very quickly.

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cmotdibbler · 23/05/2008 13:24

Eco disposables are no better than regular unless they are gel free and you compost them at home.

If you use Microfibre inserts with pocket nappies the drying really is very fast.

That study assumed washing at 60/90' and that some people ironed their nappies. Most wash at 40, and no one sane irons.

onepieceoflollipop · 23/05/2008 13:27

cmotdibbler I think that the study also assumed tumble drying (completely, not just a quick blast to soften and/or finish off airing them).

We also need to take into account the cost of creating/producing literally hundreds (?thousands) of nappies per child whether you use eco or "normal" disposables.

gillythekid · 23/05/2008 13:28

I live in a 1 bedroom flat with no outside space, the place is constantly full of washing on 2 clothes maidens and I haven't even had the baby yet!! My friend has suggested the microfibre ones as they dry really quickly so I may well look into it. Thanks.

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BellaBear · 23/05/2008 13:30

oh that study. search for threads on here, there's a fantastic post with so many reasons why the findings were completely crap.

agree about pocket inserts drying superfast

bohemianbint · 23/05/2008 13:30

I use nature baby disposables when we're away. But I don't think they're miles better, as they still require lots of trees to make them.

Have saved a fortune using pre-folds for the last 21 months, and about to hand them on to number 2.

cmotdibbler · 23/05/2008 13:32

And if you have more inserts than nappies, you can use the nappies again faster.

IME, the washing created by nappies is far outweighed by the extra clothes washing created by disposables leaking poo all the time.

hellsbells76 · 23/05/2008 13:34

WHO irons nappies? WHO?

i used a laundry service with ds1 and found it a right hassle - 2 of the companies i used went bust (one leaving me with a mountain of dirty nappies over xmas!) and i really hated the prefolds. nappies hanging around for a week tended to get pretty pongy too, especially in the summer. £40/mth is bloody expensive too!

i wash my own now with dd and wish i'd done this in the first place - sooo much cheaper and no more hassle really.

tbh it'd probably work out cheaper in the long run to get a tumble drier than to fork out for a laundry service...

MinkyBorage · 23/05/2008 13:35

bear in mind that the eco ones will end up in landfill and thus won't biodegrade properly. Cloth much kinder to environment. (I use a mix of eco and cloth, mostky eco though )

BellaBear · 23/05/2008 13:50

here is the great response to that study by nannyl:

they assume that 1/3 of people wash their nappies at 90c (i disagree!) table5.7
they assume 10% of nappies are ironed (5.14.7)
they assume 60% of nappies are tumble dried.... (if you look it says their survey sugested that 19% of people tumble dry their nappies but because 75% of household use a dryer they decided to use a figure of 60% (off the top of their heads basicaly)(9.3.2)
they assume 50% of people add softner to their nappies . im sure anyone who uses nappies KNOWS that you do NOT ever add softner to nappies cause it stops them from absorbing.... (also consider the enivironmental impact of the softner.... and of manufacturing the softener.... and of driving to sthe supermarket to by the softener and of the softener going down the drain etc etc) (5.14.5)

It also assumes most people SOAK their nappies and allows 10 litres of water per day.... on top of 75 litres per washing machine load.... a large overestimate on the amount of water most modern machines, having recently got a new washing machine trust me i KNOW, so 85 litres of water per day (5.14.2)

They assume that people have 47.5 'terry nappies' nappies per 6 months (9.3.5)...
and then asses the full environmental impact of manufacturing all that cotton to make 47.5 nappies per 6 months.... and its the MANUFACTURE and water used during manufacture that is basically the major environmental 'problem / issue with' washables
also they acknowledge and justify this figure and in the same sentence say that actually only an average of 40 nappies are bought for the LIFE of the child (personally i cant believe that is an accurate average.... does anyone know anyone with more than 40 nappies?... EVERY person i know has LOADS less)

Its is assumed that 12 nappies are washed at a time (5.14.7) and that it takes a WHOLE HOUR to iron 12 cotton nappies.... and they use that figure of electricity... ie an iron on for an hour to iron 12 cotton squares..... Maybe 12 seconds would be more accurate? or 0 seconds for ironing nappies!]

FOR disposable nappies they assume just over 4 (4.05) nappies per day... this is a LOW estimate IMO especially when you consider new born babies (9.1)

In the summary they conclude that reusable users should reduce they energy they use washing and drying nappies.

SO..... they DO over estimate the washing temperatures, water use, tumble dryer use and iron....

they also allow for FAR too many nappies being manufactured (washables) and asses the environmental impact of the commercial manufacture of the cotton...

(no mention of bamboo which is a much more environmentally friendly material and becoming increasing popular with washable nappies)
then there is the fact that loads of people who choose washables are 'environmentally aware' people who are likely to be using less than 'conventional' washing detergents... such as soap nuts or eco balls, and are likely to be using more energy efficient machines, due to the way they think.

the fact that they only allow for 12 nappies being washed per load then 60% tumble dried (when only 19% of their survey suggested they tumble dried their nappies, AND allowed 1 hour of electric for the iron per load).... yet allow for the manufacture of nearly 200 nappies PER CHILD just shoes how ridiculous this whole study was!

{they also allow for nappies to be travel half way around the world to England.... yet several main brands of washables ARE made here in the uk}

and with 2nd babies etc they DONT need to be manufactured... which IS the main issue with washables

don?t forget we bin 8 MILLION disposables per day and for every £1 a parents spends on nappies the tax payer has to spend 10p disposing of them

gillythekid · 23/05/2008 13:57

hellsbells no room for a dryer and the flat is rented so they have provided a washer with no dryer!

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onepieceoflollipop · 23/05/2008 14:07

BellaBear thanks for taking the time to post that - very interesting.

Makes you wonder if the work experience person made all those assumptions about cloth nappy users. I remember reading on the Nappy Lady Website that the "researchers" declined to interview/speak to any actual people who were using cloth nappies.

hellsbells76 · 23/05/2008 14:30

they also don't take into account the number of nappies which are bought second hand/borrowed, which reduces the manufacture costs. my friend is currently using the same nappies for her third baby as her first two, and they've also been used on my two (we timed our babies perfectly!) and my dd is in 2nd hand tots bots from ebay, which i will probably sell on/give away once she's dry.

hellsbells76 · 23/05/2008 14:32

ah that's a pain - is there any way it could be replaced with a washer-drier? i invested in one when i decided not to use the nappy laundry service (no outside drying space to speak of either) and it's definitely been financially worthwhile, cost about £300 which is only 8 months' worth of nappy service

aikigypsy · 23/05/2008 16:02

Similar situation: We're also in a small apartment with only a washer, no dryer. Flats. You need the old-fashioned, flat square nappies. Everything else (except for pockets, which can be stuffed with the squares) takes 2-3 times longer to dry. Thinner prefolds are OK, too, but forget about those 4x8x4 ones that everyone says are so great. They take forever to dry.

BouncingTurtle · 23/05/2008 16:14

I iron my nappies... the voices in my head told me to.

Just kidding... I have used the Nature Baby Care ones, they don't contain any chemicals and I found they were pretty good and didn't leak.
I use them for short trips away where I don't have access to a washer. Rest of the time I use cloth. I don't have a tumble drier and most of the year I don't get enough sun in my back garden for me to hang washing out, so it all gets put in to one of the front bedrooms which has a very sunny aspect and I have a dehumidifier. I use a mixture of Bumgenius and prefolds, all quick drying.

charitas · 25/05/2008 11:57

gilly the kid I'm getting on fine in a flat with 24 terries and a wash every other day. They go on a airer in the bedroom, sun durring most of the day and I can't use my balcony 'cause in the middle of the city were we are they would come in dirtier than when they went out. If electricity use is not a concern I would use the sppin cycle when the wash finishes.

sushistar · 25/05/2008 23:48

I don't want to get into trouble here, but...

I am a cloth nappy user with no tumble dryer. I live in a 3 bed house with a garden. My house has been full of drying nappies all winter, especially as we keep central heating down for environmental reasons.

I used to live in a 1 bed flat, before ds. I don't think I could have done cloth nappies there. I think that to dry the nappies would have taken up ALL my space.

Maybe you could use a mixture of eco-disposables and cloth? Seriously, do not put pressure on yourself when your baby has just arrived. Get some eco-disposables for the first few weeks, when keeping up with your own washing will be enough to do. I spent my voucher on some nappies, and had them all ready, and started using them when bubba was about 6 weeks old.

Shells · 26/05/2008 00:04

Use Moltex. Love them.

BellaBear · 26/05/2008 10:03

Actually I agree. I was all ready to use cloth asap and didn't until 13 weeks.

Now I am really happy using thrm (and washing them), but then it was all I could do to get dressed!

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