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Which are the best real nappies?

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Sallie · 11/01/2005 12:10

My sister is expecting in the summer and wants to use real nappies. She is cost conscious so what is the best value starter pack? And which are the best real nappies in everyone's opinion as I am tempted to use them next time.....

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Miaou · 10/03/2005 12:35

Please do, we like having you around!!

Cooperoo · 10/03/2005 12:56

Hello all,
The fleece lined nappies are only lined on the inside next to the skin in an effort to keep baby dry. You will notice when you wash fleece it feels nearly dry when you take it out of the machine and this is the theory with the nappies. I haven't come across a totally fleece nappy and can't see how this would work. Fleece wraps can work at night but you are totally right about them leaking in a pushchair etc and if there is any pressure on them. At night I suppose the baby moves around and the wee evaporates. It does work too, I don't know how.
Kissaluvs sell their nappies as fleece or fleece/terry combo. The fleece they mean is cotton fleece like the inside of a jersey sweatshirt. In my experience the pure fleece ones are no where near as absorbant as the fleece/terry combo and I would not recommend them. We did use fleece liners and the poo of an older baby does roll of it quite easily into the loo. (Sorry if TMI), but I went back to paper liners as I was not happy about fleece next to my dd's bits. Like you say would you wear polyester pants?? Not for me. We live in Cyprus tho and it is v hot here and that was a factor too. You can get washable paper liners too (Popolino I think) that are also flushable but I think they are quite hard to find. HTH.

Cooperoo · 10/03/2005 13:04

I feel I should add that AIO's always leaked on us . Fleece lined nappies do look more fun too. I do like the Ellas house bumhuggers at night with a paper liner. The night nappy is soaking in the morning (with boosters) but the fleece helps to make the waist and sides more comfortable for dd I think.
Don't count on early nappy training either. My dd is nearly two and has never been bothered by a wet or dirty nappy even though due to the cloth she can really feel it. .
On the other hand she looks so cute in her nappies I am in no mad rush to potty train her although it would be nice before dbump arrives.

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frogs · 10/03/2005 13:38

If you get the right combination of absorbancy and waterproof wrap, then you don't need to change a cloth nappy more often than a disposable one, hub2dee.

We've been cloth nappying for nearly 10 years, on and off, and over the past five years the choice and quality have really improved. If I were starting from scratch now I'd probably go for totsbots. 10 years ago there wasn't anything like that: I started with AIO (Kooshies and a now-defunct Canadian brand called Mikey Diaper) for my eldest, moved on to folded and pinned terries with oldstyle plastic pants and later ME wraps for no., 2, and am now reusing all the old terries and muslins on dd2, but pad-folded this time and held in place by Nature Babies popper wraps. We use paper liners, but if the nappy's only wet you can wash them a few times before they fall apart.

It's cheap, easy and completely effective -- can't remember ever having a leak.

The reason so many AIO are pants is because there isn't enough absorbancy in them, so however good the waterproofing, the wetness has to go somewhere, usually leaking out around the legs or waistband. Some brands of wrap also wick out through the fabric I tried a couple of (v. expensive) Bumpy so-called PUL wraps, which were particularly bad for this. Never had that problem with the Nature Babies or ME wraps. I think the theory with the fleece wraps is that because some of th moisture evaporates through the fleece, it lessens the strain on the absorbancy of the actual nappy, so may be able to go for longer, eg. at night. Suspect they might wick, though, where the baby is lying on it, and def. would during the daytime in buggy or car seat. Never tried them, though too mean, and happy with the system we have!

Miaou · 10/03/2005 13:41

What is AIO?

hub2dee · 10/03/2005 13:45

All in One.

Nappy plus wrap integrated into one harmonious product at price point towards top end of market routinely advised for nursery / grandparents for easy changing but in same breath one is told they don't last so long and take ages to dry.

Miaou · 10/03/2005 13:49

Thanks Hub2dee. Boy it's all so confusing! Dh and I have decided to go with totsbots and ignore everything else I caaaaan't cope with the stre-e-e-e-e-ss.....

Cooperoo · 10/03/2005 14:16

Totally agree with frogs over Bumpy wrap! Can't beat Motherease wraps in my experience. We had Bummis wraps which wicked between the legs too, as did the cotton covered Nature babies. I also really like lovebums wraps for a bit of fun and they are VERY reliable too.

Maisiemog · 12/03/2005 13:17

Thanks to the people suggesting hemp prefolds, I've managed to buy some hemp fleece on Ebay, so I'm going to try making some custom prefolds. Is there a nappy making group on Mumsnet?
I have to contradict Cooperoo though, it just shows that people have totally different experiences with nappies. We use the Bummis Super Whisper Wrap (pul with patterns on) and have never had any wetness seep through. We don't tumble them though and only wash them on a 40 degree wash, maybe that makes a difference?

hub2dee · 12/03/2005 13:42

Thanks frogs and cooperoo again for the input.

I know this is a really basic, probably quite stupid question which might haunt me for a long time on these threads, but are you supposed to change a nappy after every wee, or is the idea you stall it until you feel either v. guilty / the nappy is sodden and the wrap is on the point of failing / baby gets miserable ?

And, reference your answer to above... does this 'best practice' change at night - I keep reading about sprogs sleeping through night and being v. wet / messy first thing in the morning when during the day the changing pattern seems to be much more regular. Must admit have also read babies don't really poo in the night, so maybe that explains it ?

I presume the masterplan for dealing with poo is when you notice it, change at once ?

Waswondering · 12/03/2005 13:53

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alux · 12/03/2005 14:02

MaisimogL I don't know about a nappy making group on Mumsnet but I found this site a while ago. I want to see if I can sew my own nappy when I go on mat leave.

Cooperoo · 12/03/2005 14:17

Maisymog - The Bummis you describe is exactly the one we struggled with. My dd had the biggest thighs in the world though and squashed all the wraps causing wicking after half an hour some days. A good example of how not all nappy systems work for all babies. Gosh it is a minefield out there .
Waswondering - totally agree with your answer to hub esp the warning about not being able to smell poo that well in cloth.....
I think someone might disagree with us about pooing while asleep though.....

Cooperoo · 12/03/2005 14:20

Forgot to say that all my wraps were washed at 40 and air dried in those early days too. Now I have the motherease wraps they are all washed at 60 and sometimes tumbled (on low) too. No probs.

hub2dee · 12/03/2005 15:25

maisie - I came across a site detailing a large variety of free nappy making plans for sewing yourself. It was kind of pastelly coloured and linked off a wahm site (American) or one of the independent nappy makers' own sites. Real sorry but cannot remember more than that. I will put it on the backburner and post if I can find it.

Another site was a lady who licensed her design out to people who then made to that design and sold independently.

waswondering - thanks for the info. I am sure it'll all become painfully obvious when baby arrives, but I've read so many stories about people ditching cloth early on, and so much of it is because of misinformation / a nappy system not tailored to their needs or the age / shape of the baby etc. that I'm just trying to get a bit clued up so I can make cloth work for us...

Ref: "You don't need to change after every wee, just after every poo." I know wee is sterile (unless other infections are around), but didn't realise you basically wait for the brown stuff. I'd hate to be sitting in my piss for hours on end. Don't they get nappy rash / become miserable ?

Thanks for the newborn advice too.

Ref: "A drawback with cloth is that for breastfed poo, it can be difficult to smell" - I'll have to invent an electric sensor thingy to detect nappy state then!

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hub2dee · 12/03/2005 22:20

Waswondering: Thanks for the advice and encouragement. It is always going to be more difficult especially if those around you aren't going reusable...

Will look into fleece liners etc.

Ref: "Just give yourself time as a new mummy" - I'm the other half!!! . Yep, new daddy is going to be The Nappy Master

LeahE · 12/03/2005 23:17

hub2dee -- my DH is also The Nappy Master. Originally I was the one who wanted to use cloth and he was ambivalent but he's a total cloth convert now (we use Tots Bots).

You can get boosters for use overnight that increase the absorbancy. We change generally every four hours, if he's soaking or if particularly impressive squelchy noises have emanated from the bottom region (the only way we have come up with to tell if he's done a poo) or if he's fussy and there's not other obvious cause. We used disposables in the hospital (nearly a week as he was c-section) but switched to cloth as soon as we got home but then ds was 10lb 5oz so there was no problem from a size point of view. Had he been smaller we might have put it off another couple of weeks.

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hub2dee · 13/03/2005 14:34

Waswondering - just to clarify: I am a man.

(I think you misunderstood).

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hub2dee · 13/03/2005 21:06

No worries, WW.... I'm glad my stealth mode, heels and flowery skirt worked a treat.

All: My last post on this other nappy thread has links to some very beautiful wraps, if your're interested. (US-based)

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